Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
Hey everybody. And finally it is Lacey and Lauren. And we're back together again for another episode of the Llamas podcast.
[00:00:16] Speaker B: Just as an update for all of you that actually care about my life or if so, I told my book. I have a book club I'm a member of with the girls school. I told them about our podcast. So book club people, if you actually listen to us, welcome. We're excited to have you.
Hopefully you enjoy this. But just as an update to everyone.
So life has been difficult the last few months.
My husband's retina began to detach, which I think I told y' all about. So we're dealing with a lot of stress there on top of that.
[00:00:52] Speaker A: Then I make sure you said retina because it.
He didn't enunciate that very well.
[00:01:00] Speaker B: What did you think I said?
[00:01:03] Speaker A: I thought you said his ragged.
[00:01:06] Speaker B: I don't even know if that can detach. No, it is his eyeball.
So yes, like he had to have a laser procedure on his eyeball. And for everybody wondering, he is only 40 years old. I did not marry like a 90 year old man. Like my husband just judgment if he
[00:01:23] Speaker A: did, if he's got money, well, mine don't have either.
[00:01:26] Speaker B: So I married him for love.
But then we had a pipe burst in our office.
Completely flooded the whole office. Never seen so much water come down. Came down from the ceiling, everything.
We've had a lot of fights inside of our office due to stress, people snipping at each other, text messages can be taken wrong.
And so life has hard lately. And that is why I have been a little mia but in happiness. I saw the Backstreet Boys at the Sphere last week with my friend from law school, Rachel, who I don't think watches this podcast. So is she really my friend?
But anyways, we saw the Backstreet Boys at the Sphere. They're doing some more shows this summer. So if it's something you want to see, it was honestly the coolest place to see a concert. Like whether you're huge Backstreet Boys fans or not, it was just a trip. I mean, I like the Backstreet Boys. I love it in sync, but I like the Backstreet Boys. Yeah, but it was a really fun experience. So if that's something on your bucket list, go. Because the Sphere is cool. And in that my millennial heart is very happy because I just got tickets to see Hillary Duff in August.
[00:02:37] Speaker A: Where are you seeing her?
[00:02:39] Speaker B: Charlotte.
[00:02:40] Speaker A: Okay, because I'm about to get Tim McGraw tickets.
He's going to be in Charleston on the 8th.
What day is Hillary Duff coming?
[00:02:51] Speaker B: Is that Saturday? I think it's the seventh in August to Atlanta. On another day, though. But I'm very excited because I love her. And actually my friend Rachel is gonna fly down to Charlotte to see it with me, as well as my BFF Aaron, who I do think listens to this.
[00:03:14] Speaker A: I love her. Yeah, I. I love Tim McGraw more. So I have to choose Tim over Hillary Duff. But I'm so excited to see Tim McGraw. I love Tim McGraw.
[00:03:26] Speaker B: So Tim McGraw tours a decent amount, I think, but I don't think so. He came to Charlotte the other year.
I do remember that because I remember seeing pictures on Facebook. But Hillary hasn't toured in, like, what, 10 years?
[00:03:43] Speaker A: It's been a long time she's had babies. It's hard.
[00:03:47] Speaker B: So that's the least exciting happy news right now is Backstreet Boys and Hillary. So, Lacey, do you have any happy news?
[00:03:56] Speaker A: Not much. I am.
I'm depressed. I started back therapy today right before I came on here.
Mental health is real, but I think I do a good job. When I know that I need help, I reach out. So. So I cut my hair. If y' all are looking. This is called depression hair, and it's pretty.
I did go to the beach this weekend with my husband and my kids. We had a really, really, really good weekend. So that was a lot of fun.
I really would like to go see Kenny Chesney at the Sphere. I just finished his book.
[00:04:33] Speaker B: June, I think.
[00:04:34] Speaker A: Yeah. And I'm gone almost all of June. So me and my husband go to Italy June 5th or the 15th, and then we're taking the kids to the beach the last week of June. And so one of the things we've been dealing with in my family is Katie, who has been my kids caretaker since birth. So she's basically been a part of our family for eight years because Luke was eight yesterday.
Her mom, which is like a grandparent to my kids, has cancer. And so since her diagnosis, she's in the hospital now again. I think this is her third or fourth hospitalization in three months.
Just dealing with the cancer and things that keep happening with what she needs for, you know, treatments and stuff. So Katie loves Kenny Chesney, and I just. I don't think I'm going to be able to afford it. The flights are so expensive.
I have very limited days that I can honestly go because I get back from Italy on the 15th. I have a work engagement where I've been invited to do something really cool for my career that weekend, that Friday night. And then we take the kids to the beach the last weekend of June. So, Kenny Chesney, if you hear the Llamas podcast, even if I can't go, please send Katie to the sphere, because what she's going on through with her mom, I just. My heart breaks for her. She's just become one of my best friends since then. So it's just been really hard.
Every time it comes up, I just see the tears well up in her eyes and. And it. It's so hard to see somebody you love so much so broken, and you can't do anything to fix it.
And I'm such a big empath. And so I have my own personal stuff too. But that on top of it, I think, has just been really, really. And. And one of my other best friends, this is her mother in law. And this mother, I mean, she has been. She's just the goat of mother in laws, too. Like my mother in law is as well. They're. I mean, she just has loved my friend Brittany like her own her whole life. I mean, she is her own at this point. She's been married to her son for so long. So just. It's been hard. Life's been hard. But maybe Kenny Chesney, you know, Wendy, tag him in this episode if I can't go because I'm Italy or the beach with my kids, send Katie. If you can send both of us, sometime between the 15th and 25th would work great.
[00:06:53] Speaker B: But anyways, I will say with the spear, it's very expensive to set up, so there is a good chance he will come back because. Okay, what I've heard is like. Because it was really cool. It's like all the way around and everything.
[00:07:07] Speaker A: Well, he did it last summer, too, though.
[00:07:11] Speaker B: Probably come again, though, just because it is so like the Backstreet Boys, like, literally, they're coming back this summer.
[00:07:18] Speaker A: Like, yeah.
[00:07:18] Speaker B: Can't let it go.
So I would just keep a watch out because you may end up coming back again, if not.
[00:07:26] Speaker A: Kenny, we'll see you on the east coast once you come back here. We know you will.
[00:07:29] Speaker B: Yeah, he does tour a lot.
[00:07:31] Speaker A: He does. And we'll. We'll be there. We'll be there. And maybe it's just not the right time. You know, if it's not June, you know, it might not be the right time, but me and Katie and Krista will be there because Kenny Chesney heals our souls during times like this.
So I assure you, once we can get Our hands near him will be there.
So yes, shout out to Kenny Chesney.
[00:07:56] Speaker B: Well, today's episode, I will be honest, we just kind of, we're not have. We're going to get together and do a game plan for the future. But life has just been hectic. So today we kind of want to talk about some hot things we've seen in the news. So I'm going to talk about first elder abuse.
This is an area that is really hitting the news with all the boomers getting older and all the scams out there. And that is just one thing I've noticed lately and you've seen on the news, there are a ton of scams that are going after older people and they are so legitimate now with the increase in technology and everything. And one big one that is going around right now is telling you that your grandchild or somebody is in jail and they're calling because they need to get bond. I've heard that one.
Literally the people that are getting scammed by it hear the voice and it sounds like your grandchild. Like they're good at because of. Here's the thing, because we have so much AI, they can emulate voices really well now. And with ChatGPT and all the like, technology is great, but it's also great for bad people to do more bad things, be dangerous.
It really is. Because right now, and the thing is we always think of elder abuse, this little like 80 something year old woman getting scammed because she doesn't understand and she's sending money to that, you know, prince in Nigeria or whatever.
But it's not anymore. It's your parents age, it's people in their six 50s, 60s, 70s, who are technologically smart getting taken advantage of right now because the AI and all the scams are so good. So that's kind of something that's been big in the media, but also just in general, like make sure you're checking in on your parents and stuff. Never give any information out over the phone. And just so you know, like the irs, they're never going to call you over the phone. They're going to send you letters in the mail. Same thing. Jury duty. You're not going to get a call if you miss jury duty. Realistically, if they really want to get you, they send a sheriff to your
[00:10:08] Speaker A: house and bondsman's are not ethically allowed to call you, just like lawyers. So there was a car wreck right outside my window. Terrible, crazy car wreck on Tuesday. It would be unethical for me to go out and Hand him a card. If I did personal injury and I see that somebody's arrested, I can't call them and say, hey, I see that you're arrested. Hire me. That's unethical. Bondsman's can't do that either. They can't solicit business.
So to get a bondsman, if somebody's arrested, a family member has to call them.
That's how that process is initiated. When I tell people about bondsman's, you can get different quotes for different bondsmans. It's a business as well. You can call around, get different pricing options and stuff like that. They are not going to call you. The clerks have so much to do. They're running court, they're getting court dockets. They have to get warrant signed by the judge, they have to make copies, they have to put everything into the computer, they have to get paperwork. They have three bond hearings a day at Alvin ES Glenn, which is here in Richland. They don't have time to call anybody to get somebody bonded out. So the clerk's not going to call, the jail staff's not going to call. A bondsman's not going to call. Nobody's going to call you to try to get bond posted. So your, your loved one, if they really are in jail, are going to call and say, hey, can you get a bondsman to come bail me out? And then you have to call. You have to google the numbers and find somebody.
[00:11:32] Speaker B: Yes. And just make sure. Same thing with your mortgages. That's where I see a lot of stuff too is people think their mortgage, their sending in a payment, double check emails like so this is something that like they'll do is like it'll be like from BB&T.
B and T doesn't exist anymore. But when it did, somebody spoofed the email. Where? Not spoof, but I don't know. They made a very similar email but it wasn't BB&T. It was like BB80.
And so it looked very legitimate.
And I just see so much of that right now going on. And the hard thing is people will come and say, well this happened. Like I've had clients tell me they've got scammed out of money. There's nothing you can really do because that money's. I did have a client who I think gave away like $30,000 in a scam.
And the hard thing is there's nothing you can do. Like you tell the police, they're not gonna find.
It's not that they don't try, but it's really hard. These people that are doing this are very smart if they just put their use to good.
But they're smart people. They can't track them. And it's not one of those things our police has the capability to go and enforce. And so you. But here's the thing. Say you did find the person, they go to jail.
That doesn't mean you get any money for it either because you can't bleed a turnip most of the time. These people get this money, spend it, it's gone. They don't have house, they don't have assets you can foreclose on. So it's just gone. So I just wanted to caution everybody, be checking in on parents, grandparents. And also with all this being said, the whole Savannah Gun three thing has just got me in my feels. I feel so sorry for her.
What you don't know if your mom is alive or dead and she's been abducted. And while I don't think that happens a lot, like as intense as this one is, elder abuse is real and older people do get taken advantage of and it's so heartbreaking. And she is in my thoughts and prayers right now because I can't imagine what she's going through.
[00:13:44] Speaker A: And just to give a safe tip because I had a client do this and it was really smart.
Ask the person what their name is, who they work for, their contact number to call them back and then Google it, ask questions. So my client got on, was the victim, almost the victim of one of these scams.
He said they said he was under investigation for something that happened on online dating app and this was really big in South Carolina. I'm not going to go into details. There's several articles about it.
It's actually left to led to multiple people dying by suicide because they actually thought they were under investigation for a crime against a child when they were not. It was a scam.
So with that, my client asked the investigator's name, who they were with and the phone number. And then when he googled it, none of it matched. The person did have an investigator name, but he spelled it wrong.
And so I would just encourage anybody, if you get these calls, ask questions. Oh, you're a bondsman. My loved one's in jail. Which jail?
Where are they? At our jails. You can look up online to see if somebody's actually there so you can verify whether your loved one is there or not. Ask them their company name, their number, who works there, what the. What their assistant's name. Get ask where questions. As many questions as you can and just say, I need to verify who you say you are and verify this information before I give you anything. Most likely they're going to hang up and get frustrated and then you're going to know. But, yeah, my husband's been a victim of the scam. His grandma has, and we're almost. Thankfully, no money was lost in either of those situations. But it is, like Lauren said, very rare.
[00:15:26] Speaker B: Or if they're saying they, like, you've missed jury duty, this is what you tell them. Meet me at the sheriff's department anytime. If you say, meet me there.
So I got called with that and that at the time, Thomas was still here. He was one of my law partners. And he goes, tell him you'll meet him at the sheriff's department. Said, boom. Hung up.
[00:15:48] Speaker A: Yep. Yep, absolutely. Well, my.
My client had given me the number and I called him, I said, well, I'm an attorney. And then they didn't want anything to do with me. And then of course, what sparked me in the news this week, and it goes back to something we talked about before, is genealogy, DNA.
So there was this girl, her name was Sarah Gear, and she was raped and murdered in like 1982, I want to say, and they actually just convicted somebody for that. So it was a cold case for like 40 something years.
They had a DNA profile from her underwear and. But it didn't make any. There was no matches in the system. So this. They made an arrest in 2024 and it came down to a cigarette butt. So they. They had this DNA profile.
Like I said, this case went cold for 40 something years. So. So what happened with Sarah is she was staying the night with a friend. The friend's family dropped her off at home. She decided to be a teenager and walked down to the arcade. And she was last seen at the arcade not far from her house.
And what they believe happened is that when she left the arcade, that's when she was attacked. She was drug into an alley where she was raped and strangled and then taken to another part of that area. And her body was dumped. It was found the next day, I think by another child.
And they called the police. But once they had this DNA profile, it didn't match. Like I said, they were able to use genealogy, DNA and they narrowed it down to like three or four brothers. And then from there they were keeping track on the brothers. And then one of the brothers, his name was James Oliver Eunuch, he had dumped out a cigarette. So they were able to get the cigarette and the DNA on The cigarette matched the DNA profile that they had from the the underwear.
So that guy was convicted at a jury trial this week. He faces a life sentence without parole. He actually testified, Lauren. So I will say he was 66 around the time either conviction or arrested. Was arrested. But when I did the math, he was in his early 20s. This girl was 13.
There's no business for nobody at 20 years old to be having consensual sex with a 13 year old. But I will bring up the fact that he was early 20. I think older than that makes it worse and worse and worse as you go up. But I bring that up for factual basis, for context.
So anyway, so he testified to the jury that he had consensual sex with this 13 year old and left her, but he didn't kill her.
Of course the jury didn't buy it and convicted him. But I don't know, I just felt like if you really, you're just stupid if you think a jury's gonna believe that you raped this girl. Somebody came along and just killed her for. No, like that doesn't make sense at all.
[00:18:58] Speaker B: No. And then you're gonna say it was consensual. When you know 13 years old you can.
[00:19:03] Speaker A: That's not consensual at all. She's not old enough to consent. Yes.
[00:19:08] Speaker B: Oh, she's a baby. Like it, it's really like, I don't know, like, I guess like, yes, it's sturdy to the stand, but even stupider to think you could get up there and say, oh yeah, I had sex with her, but she wanted to when she's a baby.
[00:19:24] Speaker A: And also who's gonna come along and just kill her after that?
Most murders have motive. There would be no motive. And they found no other DNA on her. So. So it was like, so I was reading one article and it was like. And then his, you know, his testimony was basically a phantom person came along and killed her.
[00:19:42] Speaker B: But he didn't kill her even though he raped her. That is stupid. I will say like here lately, like, I don't know, like, it has been like, I've seen way too much about young people being like consensual sex when they're like 14 and 15. And I'm like, that's so I'm re watching Dawson's Creek right now. So I will say I'm even extra heavy because yes, Pacey had that affair with his teacher. And like they really portrayed them to be super mature on Dawson's Creek in a lot of ways. Like they talked different than I Ever taught in high school. But then they were also teenagers because half the show is just about sex. But he is, like, supposed to be, what, 15? And his teacher, okay, this hit me hard.
[00:20:29] Speaker A: She's like 30 something.
[00:20:31] Speaker B: She was only supposed to be 36. Lacey. I feel like she looks like 10 years older than us. So that really, like, hit me. But I'm, like, watching this as an adult. Like, I remember watching it and like, obviously we think, oh, no teenage boy is gonna be sad he's getting sex from his teacher. But that was still.
[00:20:47] Speaker A: Right.
[00:20:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:48] Speaker A: And I will say so. I had actually started watching it before he died and I'd gotten through most of that season, so I saw all of that. And watching it now at that age, as the woman watching it, closer to the age of Pacey, I got such an ick factor. I mean, when you're younger, I think you think, like, o. You know, this.
[00:21:11] Speaker B: Older, more mature.
[00:21:12] Speaker A: Like, it's this great thing. But no, when you're an adult, like, in that. And you're thinking about that, a kid that age, like, that is a kid. That's a child. Like, I don't know. I just. I. It really grossed me out. And I just remember I've never watched this show before and had this gross me out this much. But it just absolutely disgusted, disgusting. And she got away with it. And that pissed me off.
[00:21:35] Speaker B: Yeah, that was kind of like, I'm still. Like, I had started watching it before James. Like, I watched it back in the day and then, yeah, I started a replay. Probably back after I finished my Gilmore Girls, I went to Dawson's Creek. And yet, like, that first season, it does get better after that, I think, because we get away from her and, like, they're all. And I know they do portray them as mature, but they're still not. Like, they're still babies. I will say, though, if you have a new show you want to watch where it is consensual and there's a lot of dirty scenes, heated rivalries.
Yes, It. It's. I'm addicted to it. I didn't think I would be because, like, I don't. I read smutty stuff, but I don't.
And it is two men.
It's gay hockey players.
[00:22:28] Speaker A: I did hear about this. Allison told me she's addicted to it. I think Caroline watches it too.
[00:22:36] Speaker B: Oh, it's so good. Like, and there's a lot of stuff in there. It's. They're all adults. Like, they are.
[00:22:42] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:42] Speaker B: They've graduated college and they're going to Play in major league hockey leagues, and I don't even care about hockey besides the Mighty Ducks. But if y' all need something to take you out of reality and all the crap in the world that's happening, he did. Rivalries is a good show, but do not watch it with your children around because there are way too many adult scenes. But you can fast forward through those if that's not your thing, because the love story is on point.
[00:23:07] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay.
You're so. Many have said to watch that. I'm. My friends actually got me watching Righteous Gemstones.
[00:23:16] Speaker B: Me and Wendy both have watched that.
[00:23:19] Speaker A: I. It's so funny. I think it's hilarious.
[00:23:24] Speaker B: Adam Devine.
What is his, like. What's that guy's name?
[00:23:32] Speaker A: Which one?
[00:23:33] Speaker B: Adam? The one that's like.
[00:23:34] Speaker A: Keith.
[00:23:35] Speaker B: Keith. What's his name? It's not Keith. It's Keith.
[00:23:39] Speaker A: Are you not the youngest kid of the three?
[00:23:42] Speaker B: Yeah, that's Adam.
[00:23:44] Speaker A: That's a boyfriend.
[00:23:48] Speaker B: I mean, do you not get some vibes there?
[00:23:51] Speaker A: I got some vibes, but it was never explicitly said. Is it gonna be explicitly. Ok, spoilers if you're watching. Right.
[00:23:58] Speaker B: This gym, no spoilers. But, like, you know, from episode one, they not just friends.
[00:24:03] Speaker A: I mean, I didn't think so, but, like, they never.
[00:24:07] Speaker B: That whole cast is great. Danny McBride is terrible and great at the same time.
[00:24:12] Speaker A: I love Aunt Tiffany. She's one of my favorite characters. I think I could have played Aunt Tiffany if they could have cast me. If Righteous Gemstones. If you need an extra that's like a relative of Aunt Tiffany,
[00:24:29] Speaker B: they're done. But they did film in Charleston, so you could.
And then I don't.
[00:24:34] Speaker A: What's the end of the series?
[00:24:38] Speaker B: Danny McBride never does really long show stance. Oh, but uncle, have you met Uncle Baby Billy yet?
[00:24:45] Speaker A: Oh, I love Uncle Baby, of course. Because Aunt Tiffany, that's who he's with.
[00:24:50] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Well, the other morning, I was in my house singing There Will Come a Payday. Hallelujah.
[00:24:56] Speaker A: What a pet.
[00:24:57] Speaker B: And Wes is like, are you singing, Baby Billy? I was like, because I love you.
[00:25:02] Speaker A: Oh, Britney sent me something yesterday about misbehaving because it's for Max. I get boring. Kids haven't.
[00:25:09] Speaker B: That show's great. And it's. They're all consenting adults on it, too.
Oh, it.
Wasn't the guy from Union an extra on that show?
Oh, was Michael Smallwood an extra on that show at one point, or am I getting him confused with some other show?
[00:25:31] Speaker A: Michael, were you.
I'm about to look it up.
[00:25:38] Speaker B: I'm What? Because it was in Charleston.
[00:25:40] Speaker A: Hold on. How many seasons of the show are there?
[00:25:43] Speaker B: Like, four.
He was. He was an extra on that show.
[00:25:48] Speaker A: Which season?
[00:25:50] Speaker B: One of the later ones.
[00:25:53] Speaker A: Okay, I missed that.
[00:25:56] Speaker B: I thought I remembered watching that and seeing him.
[00:26:00] Speaker A: Oh, my God, I'm so excited now.
[00:26:02] Speaker B: Small world. A union connection.
[00:26:05] Speaker A: I love Michael.
Well, that is our random welcome back. We're a duo still episode.
[00:26:15] Speaker B: And if y' all have things you want us to talk about, we are working with.
So shout out to Wendy. She helps us through a lot, and we're terrible people because we don't always respond to her. By that, I mean me, I do the same.
[00:26:27] Speaker A: You're worse. But I do the same. You did ask me for somebody's number this week, and I forgot, but so
[00:26:32] Speaker B: I look at it in my head, I respond, and then three days go past. And she also helps me with work and deals with me the same way.
[00:26:39] Speaker A: So thank you, Wendy.
[00:26:40] Speaker B: We love you. But we are working to put together, like, ideas, themes for the next few months. So hit us up if there's certain things you want us to talk about.
[00:26:49] Speaker A: All right? And we'll see you next week.
[00:26:51] Speaker B: Bye.
