Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
Hey, everybody, it's Lacey and I'm Lauren. And we're back together again for another episode of the Llamas podcast.
[00:00:13] Speaker B: And tonight we're. Well, today, whatever time it is, it's the holidays. Time has no meaning. But we're gonna talk a little bit more about the holiday homicide. But I wanted to ask Lacey a question because it does relate to murder and everything.
Have you watched the Beast in Me on Netflix?
No.
[00:00:34] Speaker A: Okay, so I'm gonna heard about this.
[00:00:37] Speaker B: It is like, it. It's fiction, but it is like a thriller. Like, criminal Thing is. It is awesome. Claire Danes is in it.
The guy that's in it used to be on this show called Brothers and Sisters on abc back in the day. He played like the gay attorney. He was like Mitchell, all Modern Family, but without the funny kind of that character.
[00:01:03] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:01:04] Speaker B: And in this, he plays a villain, and he does it so well, like he had it. But it is a great show. But it's a thriller. It's not based on real. But I'm gonna need you to watch it. And I need everybody to watch it and people to text me, because I will say it's a slow burn. The first episode or two. I was like, why is everybody watching this? This is kind of boring.
[00:01:25] Speaker A: And I. And then it's like all of a.
[00:01:27] Speaker B: Sudden you're like, oh, my God, I can't go to bed because I have to finish the next. It's only, I think, eight episodes, but yeah, okay.
[00:01:33] Speaker A: It's just.
[00:01:34] Speaker B: It's a story about this woman who's a writer and her next door, she gets a new, like, next door neighbor in this, like, really rich neighborhood somewhere outside of New York. But anyways, he has been accused of killing his wife, but it was noted it was suicide. And so this writer decided she's going to, like, write his biography and he gives her permission because they kind of have this weird friendship thing. And it's like along the way, you're trying to decide, did he really kill his wife? Is he evil? Is he not?
[00:02:04] Speaker A: And.
[00:02:07] Speaker B: Really good one. So to all of you that listen to this. Yeah, go watch it. Send me your thoughts because I want to talk about it with somebody. Because right before this, I texted two of my other friends and was like, have y' all watched this show? And they're like, no one said, I'm rewatching Bridgerton. And I was like, no, no, we've already seen that. Let's watch something else.
[00:02:28] Speaker A: So me and Mark are currently watching.
What is it? Escaping the cult. My cult or something like that, but it's different episodes. Different. So far, it's been on women. I don't know if there'll be a male. But so far it's been all women escaping these cults that they got into. And, you know, I.
I am just. I've always been fascinating. Seems so wrong, because I know there's so many bad things in these cults, and I'm watching this show, but I don't know another word to use.
So that's just the word I'm going to use. And I know of so many different cults, and I didn't realize there were so many more. Like, one of the episodes, Lauren, was this big cult in Georgia, and if y' all know us where you live in South Carolina. And it was just wild. This man just started this cult, and he got an idea from a movie, and he claimed that they were just Egyptians and Egyptian ancestors sisters, and then started this cult. Church is saying that they're claiming they're Egyptians, and it, like, worked, and it's how they got money. Anyways, that's my current show, so I'm plugging that for you to watch it on. It's on, well, I guess on Hulu, but I watch it through Disney plus, so. But it's like escaping cold or something like that. But I'll get it. I'll get it to you.
[00:03:43] Speaker B: Speaking of something like that, have you watched Shiny Happy People?
[00:03:48] Speaker A: Is that the one on the first.
[00:03:51] Speaker B: Season is the Duggars that.
[00:03:54] Speaker A: Yes, I watched the first season.
[00:03:56] Speaker B: The second season has came out, and it's not so much about the Duggars is pretty much a cult, though, because it's still like their church.
And that may be a whole episode for the podcast because it. The way they're treating these teenagers and it watch season two, and then we may need to do a podcast episode on it. But to all you out there, there is a season two of Shiny Happy People, and it's.
[00:04:26] Speaker A: Had.
[00:04:26] Speaker B: I known it hasn't been publicized as much, I think, because it's not the Duggars, but it's still that same concept.
But it was really good, so go watch that, too.
[00:04:37] Speaker A: Okay.
And before we jump in the episode, me, Lauren, and Wendy, who produces this show, just got back from Disney World.
Highlight two or three highlights of your trip, Lauren, before we jump in, I want to go back. It's all I know that's Mac looked at me this morning and goes, mommy. I said, yes. He goes, I want to ride Slinky Dog. And I said, dude, I want to ride Slinky Dog, too.
[00:05:04] Speaker B: We went the week of December 12, which was before school was out. So it was awesome because the crowds were so little.
I think one of the best things was it wasn't hot. Like we went. And the other times we went to Disney recently, It's been like 90 degrees. So it was really nice. It wasn't hot.
One cool thing is we did breakfast at Garden Grill, which is Chippendale and is actually the food from.
A lot of the food is like farm to table type food.
[00:05:39] Speaker A: So.
[00:05:39] Speaker B: And it's. If you ride, living with the land, you can see. Disney has this whole, like, horticulture thing. And it's actually a really green initiative. But anyways, Chip and Dale are there, which is why we did it, and we were the family of the day, and it was really cool. So what that meant was when it was Chip, Dale, Mickey, and Pluto. And so they go around. If you haven't been to Disney dining, with character dining, one character comes per table. So, like, Chip would come, then Dale, then Pluto, then Mickey. They all four don't come together.
So being family of the day, the second they came out there, we got a picture with all four of them at one time, which was really cool. And my children loved it.
I'm trying to think. We also.
We went to Disney Springs, of course. And I'm gonna give a plug for a restaurant called the Boathouse. Non character dining. But if you're on the dining plan, it is on that. But a really nice restaurant. We sat on the water. It was really cool to do something different.
And we just had a great time. Like, low lines.
It was just me and my husband and the two kids. So, like, we did not get to do some of the rides we normally would like. Neither one of my kids is tall enough to ride Tron. You have to be 48 inches. And one of my friends, Aaron, her daughter is the same age as my daughter. She's five. And Aaron texts me and she goes, her daughter's tall. So she texted me, and she a is 4 foot 2. And my response to this, she also had the flu at this time. And she was telling me about her being sick. My response was, well, she can ride Tron now.
That is where my mind goes. They said, we didn't ride Tron. We didn't ride. I was not. I think Kylie may have been tall enough. Try Guardians of the Galaxy Cosmic Rewind. But that is my favorite overall ride. That and Tower of Terror are my two favorite rides, and I did not ride them. This time because I didn't want to make my husband be with the kids and I'll ride by myself, I don't care. But I didn't want to put that on him.
But honestly, even not riding my two favorite rides was still a lot of fun with the girls and with them. But hopefully next time we go, I will get to ride Guardians again.
[00:07:56] Speaker A: So we have the disability pass and so we plant. And Luke is pretty tall now. He's 42 inches, so he can ride most of the rides and 44, 44, 45.
[00:08:13] Speaker B: And she could ride most the rides.
[00:08:14] Speaker A: Yeah. And so I put him on Space Mountain and I did not realize how bad that was. And after that, he's just kind of traumatized from roller coasters. I felt so bad. Mark said he told me not to put him on it and was like, why don't you give him a break? You know, But I thought he meant like, give him a break from riding. And I was like, well, we've only ridden one ride, he should be fine.
And he just ate. But he was trying. That's what he really meant was maybe not this ride. And I wish I had it. I wish I had done smaller things and maybe saved that for last. It's just we happen to be in that park because we went right first in Magic Kingdom and those were the first sections that we were in for rides. And he cried. Oh God, I heard him crying in the ride and it was terrible. I felt so bad.
But you know, we. So we did other roller coasters. He was really not a fan. But my 4 year old Mac loved all the rides, all the roller coasters. All he wanted to do was ride another ride. He is definitely my thrill seeker. We did Seven Dwarfs Mine Train and he got off. He goes, mommy, I want to do that again.
And the worker goes, do you want to do that again? He goes, yes. And so I was like, luke, do you want to do it again? He goes, no, no, no. So my niece, oldest niece, Addison, she went with us. So she took Luke back to Mark and my mother in law and me and Mac went and rode. She took us to the front of the line and let us cut in front of everybody and ride it again. So that was really cool.
He had so much fun. He loved that. He loves Slinky Dog. I think Slinky Dog was probably one of his favorite rides. And Luke really liked the shows.
He really liked the characters and like just kind of the experience, experience of it all. Like he just loves walking around and taking in scenery and Things like that. And when you do drink around the world at Epcot, there's like a pond with birds and stuff. My kids were obsessed with the birds and the ducks. They kept wanting to go hang out by the pond and stuff. So I definitely think Animal Kingdom would be a good fit for my kids. We just didn't go this time because I heard it was under construction.
But as much as they love animals, I think that'll be a good part park for us to go to next time. And I definitely want a resort day next time because we didn't have any time with three days in three parks to, like, go to the pool, go to the arcade. And those were things like my kids expressed interest in. But with paying so much money for the parks, we just didn't have, you know, time to do.
But, yeah, all he's talked about is wanting to go. Even Luke has said he has wanted to go back and he'll ride the rides. So I think maybe if we just stick to some of the smaller stuff. Like, even if he was tall enough for Tron, I could not put him on anything. I think he just. I don't. Maybe as he gets older, he'll get more into rides, but right now, he's just not mine.
[00:11:03] Speaker B: Enjoys certain rides. Like, Maddie will sit there. She would ride the alien swirling saucers all day non stop. That is her favorite ride. I don't know what it is, but she giggles, she smiles.
Kylie did ride Slinky Dog and she hated it, which is. She's rode roller coasters. So she has at Universal, she wrote Flight of the Hippograph or whatever. I don't know anything about Harry Potter, but it was in Harry Potter World and she wrote it. She rode Poppy's roller coaster, which, I'm gonna be honest, Poppy's roller coaster in Universal was rougher than Slinky Doll. But for some reason, she got on Slinky Dog and was terrified. She was gripping my arm, yelling, my fear. My fear. I don't know why my fear was what she was, but y. She was here. And the thing. The thing that sucks about the Slinky Dog, but it's good and bad, is like, you think it's over and it's not. It just keeps going.
[00:11:58] Speaker A: And I mountain with a crying child that I can't even get beside because he's like, you're in front.
[00:12:06] Speaker B: I will tell you, though, one Rollo, I will ride almost anything. I'm not scared of hardly any rides. Nothing makes me motion sick. But one ride, I will never do Again, is at Universal. It is the Jurassic park ride. It is like the Raptor roller coaster.
[00:12:24] Speaker A: Whatever.
[00:12:24] Speaker B: It's a new ride.
Was. At least they used to have the Dueling Dragons. They've taken away that. This is there. Now all you have is, like, a lap bar. You don't have a shoulder harness. You have a lap bar. You're going upside down. I wasn't scared, but that ride I got off and my head hurt. Like you were, like, knocking. Like your head was going back and forth. And you swoop over water, and you literally think you're going in the water. So I don't know if Kylie has that experience with Slinky Dog where she will never ride it again because for some reason it traumatized her or not.
[00:13:01] Speaker A: Was it space mount? Is there a harness on Space Mountain?
[00:13:06] Speaker B: Just a lap pull up, but you don't go upside down on it. Right.
[00:13:10] Speaker A: But I think that was the problem with Luke. I could just feel him, you know, reach over and hold him because I was behind him. And I think that was definitely part of it.
[00:13:25] Speaker B: Space Mountain is not one of my favorite rides because the way I don't like getting probably what bothered Luke. Dudes, you got to get down in that bucket and put your legs out. It's not.
I don't know. It's not comfortable to me.
[00:13:38] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. No, I will definitely not put him on that again. I think Mac would love it, because I think Mac would just love any kind of roller coaster.
But, yeah, that was not good. I do think he really liked soaring. He was just kind of.
My kids like soaring, but he, like, crossed his legs and he held mine and Addison's hand and just. He's kind of, like, enamored, but at the same time, like, what's gonna happen?
But, yeah, he liked that. He liked Mission Space. He liked that he wouldn't smile big, but it was like, did you like it? He goes, yeah.
[00:14:11] Speaker B: Did you do the orange or the green?
[00:14:14] Speaker A: Green. Because I didn't want to scare Luke too. Yeah. And I didn't know.
So we were trying to just keep it low key.
But he did like the bit. The only time I really saw him smile on a ride was the teacups.
[00:14:29] Speaker B: That's a cool ride. My father would be puking if he wrote it, but I did not write it.
[00:14:34] Speaker A: Mark did, but.
Well, shamelessly. Plug in Candy, our classmate that books our Disney trips.
[00:14:42] Speaker B: If you want to go, you're going to Disney. Candy Shetley Turner can hook you up. She is great. And she will get up at midnight or Six.
[00:14:52] Speaker A: I didn't.
[00:14:53] Speaker B: She did all my dying and everything because I wasn't doing that. Like, she did it all for me. It was awesome.
[00:14:58] Speaker A: Mark wanted to book the.
To build his own lightsaber, and he didn't realize he needed, like a booking for it, and he booked it incorrectly and all this other stuff. She fixed it, got him in his exact time that he wanted and got it all taken care of and showed up and helped us, you know, get our disability pass for Luke.
So he had that for rides. So shout out, candy, thank you. And I'm saving my pennies to go back, so.
[00:15:24] Speaker B: Well, I'll be honest, on this holidays for the homicide, I don't have a new case this week.
[00:15:30] Speaker A: Okay.
I have one.
[00:15:34] Speaker B: Okay. So Lacey's gonna talk about her case because I couldn't take any more depression. Like. Right. Like murder holidays this week.
[00:15:46] Speaker A: Well, I feel like mine's appropriate to wrap up because it is a New Year's story.
So. My story is aft is the person that was murdered was.
I can't talk. Valerie Zavala Wilson.
She was 19 years old and she went to a New Year's Eve party in California.
And she was leaving the party and it was already after midnight and stuff. And she had actually texted her ex boyfriend and wanted to see him. You know, after a 19 year old. She probably was drinking it. I don't think that came out that she was. Because she was driving. She did say her friend Anna was drinking, so she was taking her home. And she also ran into a guy that her sister went to school with in high school. He was at the party, so she was taking him home too. And her friend Anna's car.
Well, anyways, the.
She was found murdered the next day.
Valerie was after. It had to have been after. Taken.
They thought taking these people home because that was the last text message to her parents was that she was taking them home from this party.
It was somebody else that found her in like a drainage ditch. She was covered by some moving around in my chair. She was under like some brush in a drainage ditch. And her.
She didn't have any pants. Like, there was no bottom pants, skirt or anything like that.
And her earlobe was like, ripped. She had one earring, the other was like ripped and bleeding.
And it was pretty fresh blood. So when the dispatchers got there and the police got there, they knew that she hadn't really been there long because there wasn't any other blood.
So they, of course, you know, start digging in, find out about the text messages and kind of Put a timeline together. So of course their initial suspect is the ex boyfriend.
They had heard that he was, you know, controlling and that was one of the things that led to their breakup. So they go and talk to him and he's like, you know, she never made it here. Like, I know, never saw her.
So, you know, they just keep that in the back of their mind. So they're also like, we really need to find Anna's car. And they do go and talk to Anna. She like confirms that, you know, she dropped her off in her car and kept her car and was taking the other guy home. And they're going to see the ex boyfriend, Isaac, and the other. God, I can't think of his name. Hold on, Why can't I remember his name? Samuel Puebla.
So Samuel was a 17 year old high school student that she took home. So they went and talked to him and he said, yeah, that she dropped him off, they hugged and that was just kind of it. And you know, dropped her, dropped him off for the night. So like, okay, well, they keep digging into the case.
They know it's important to find Anna's car. Well, they find her car at a church.
And at the church it inside was her jacket and some of her belongings and they were still inside the car. So, you know, they collect all of that. Then they find out that she died from like asphyxiation, blood force trauma.
Well, one of the investigators was like on vacation or gone when all this happened with the holidays I guess. So when he gets back, he's reviewing the case file and Samuel's name is familiar. Like he had investigated some type of robbery where he was a suspect, this 17 year old. So he's like, you know, when we were talking about their stuff found like in a trash can at this church, which is where the car was found. So they went and they looked in the trash bin and they found some of Valerie's belongings in there. So they were like, we've got to go talk to Samuel.
And I think they got a search warrant for his house at this point too.
So they go and they search his house. They find women's underwear, multiple women's underwear and multiple women's cell phones. So he was like sneaking into women's houses and just taking trophies and collecting them.
So.
So yeah, so they collect all that. And then there was the person that did the forensics and autopsy call, said there is saliva on her chest. They found saliva. So they're like, get us a sample, we can compare it.
So they, they tell him like, hey, you know, we found saliva, and I think they told him it was his. I can't remember if they had tested it and already knew it was or, you know, police can lie on investigations. It did turn out to be Samuel, but then he changed his story that, well, we did more than hug. We were gonna have sex, but it was gonna be consensual.
So then he starts changing his story.
So they're like, hey, you know, we need it, we need to talk. So they.
When the person.
Oh, what also brought up the investigation is. And Samuel, as another suspect is a witness, came forward and said, you know, we saw on the news that this woman was found. We might have seen her getting dumped. Like, we didn't see dump, but we saw a van at that spot, which is right before y' all recover the body. And they gave a description that matched Samuel pretty much. And they said he was wearing a gray two tone jacket.
So when the police are interviewing Samuel later on, he's outside and they're asking him questions, asking him about this saliva found on her. He's changing and he's like, gets really nervous. He goes, I'm cold. And they're like, do you want me to go get you a jacket? He says, yes.
So the cops go in and they see the gray two tone jacket. So they grab that and they go to give it to him, and then they see blood on the jacket. So they collected that as evidence, submitted it. The blood was Valerie's.
So they were able to arrest Samuel for the murder, and he was convicted and sentenced to life.
He did.
[00:22:19] Speaker B: Was that his first murder?
[00:22:22] Speaker A: That apparently, like, there's nothing else that ever came out. But he was prom king. He was an A plus student at his high school. He was in high school at the time of this murder.
What the state's theory was is that he wanted to have relations with her. She shot him down. I mean, she was on her way to see her ex boyfriend and.
Yeah, so that was her story.
Her sister ended up going to that church. I don't know if she goes regularly, but, you know, she does. She went at least once to just try to see if she felt closer to her sister. Because they do believe she was killed at the church parking lot where the car was found.
Yeah, they believe that she was murdered there. And then he.
[00:23:11] Speaker B: How was she? I know you said blunt force trauma, but like, was there ever a murder weapon or.
[00:23:18] Speaker A: No, I, I not. I don't believe there's any murder weapon. I think he did everything with his hands.
[00:23:24] Speaker B: I just wonder, like, did he kill somebody else before this, and we're never gonna. Not like. I don't know.
[00:23:31] Speaker A: I guess young.
[00:23:33] Speaker B: This might have been his first, like, moving up.
[00:23:36] Speaker A: And I think he was escalating because if he was already breaking into women's houses and stealing their panties and their cell phones, I. I definitely think this was an escalation for sure.
And I mean, I believe if the police had not caught him, he would have continued. He would have continued to escalate and kill other women. Because I do think with the breaking in and taking up the panties, and I do think he tried to rape her. I don't. It. I don't know if he did.
I don't know if there was evidence of that. I didn't see anything about it.
But, yeah, I. I think he tried and she refused him and that's what led him to losing it and him, you know, killing her.
[00:24:25] Speaker B: That is a heartbreaking story there. I know. I mean, seven. Okay, so since he was 17 when this happened, Tried as an adult. Correct, Correct. So that was one of the issues in the case I talked about last week. There were two minors and then three. Two or three adults, like under six. They were on. They were 16 and the others were older. So what does it mean when they try you as an adult versus try you as a juvenile? Because we hear this all the time. But what does that actually mean?
[00:24:59] Speaker A: It just means the. Basically the consequence changes. As a juvenile, they can't sentence you to life in prison.
It typically, in most states, you're released at the age of 21, or you could do indeterminate sentences. It's just the sentencing structure is not as high as of a penalty essentially than if you are tried as an adult.
And sometimes I struggle with this because sometimes I've had cases that I've seen on shows mainly because I. I don't do you. I've never done a juvenile case. Actually, I've done one. I don't do a ton of them. It has to be something near and dear to me to really take on. My law partner does. She loves them. She absolutely loves taking juvenile cases. My associate, I think, has really like taking them.
There's some things that bother me with the juvenile process, but anyways.
But sometimes I see these cases and they're tried in as adult, and I'm like, this is just not appropriate. And, you know, when you learn about how the brain develops and matures and functions, you know some of these things. And they're trying as an adult. Like, there's this one kid, he Broke into this house. They were trying to steal money for marijuana.
And he ended up.
One of the people that broke in the house with him ended up getting shot by the homeowner, which is the homeowner's legal right. He has that legal right to defend himself. He didn't know if they were there to harm him or what. So there's nothing wrong with what the homeowner did, but because they all broke in and they were in the commission of a felony, he was charged with his friend's murder under the felony murder rule and got a life sentence.
And he was only 16 years old. And see, that kind of bothers me because, like, I think at 15, 16, maybe 17 years old, like, are you really thinking about the felony murder rule? I mean, if you think it's funny to break into a place for. For money, for weed, Like, I just don't think you're really thinking that far in advance. I don't think your brain is mature enough to really grasp those consequences to that extent to where you should get life in prison for that. None of them had weapons that I can remember.
And like I said, I don't think the homeowner did anything wrong. I just think trying him as an adult under the felony murder rul. Like, it just. This really bothers me, but in this case, it doesn't bother me. I really think this kid, what he was doing, an absolute predator.
I don't know, perhaps there was some abuse that led to this in his childhood, I don't know. But what bothers me is the escalation of the robberies and the breaking in and now leading to this. I just don't think he would ever be safe for society. Whereas the case I was just talking about, I. I do. I don't think he's a threat to society. I think what he did was just something a stupid teenager might think to do and not realize the consequences. But this guy, I definitely think he.
If he didn't understand the consequences, he definitely understood he was wanting to harm women.
[00:28:17] Speaker B: He was going to be a serial killer. Like, that's kind of what it was looking like, I guess.
But it has to be certain crumbs to be tried as an adult, Right? Like shoplifting. If you just go into Walmart and grab, you know, a tube of lipstick and you're 12 years old, you're not going to be tried as an adult. It has to be like a certain level of crime to put that on the table, correct?
[00:28:41] Speaker A: Yeah. And typically when you see it, it's someone's harmed there's a victim. You know, usually you're seeing somebody that was harmed. Bad, you know, a murder, a really bad assault, attempted stuff like that is when you're typically going to see you know, people char, you know, juveniles charged as adults.
[00:29:04] Speaker B: But if you are a minor but you're charged as an adult, they still cannot bring the death penalty. Correct?
[00:29:11] Speaker A: Correct. And I, I do think every state might be different in that. But my understanding understanding is you cannot bring on that it can only be life.
[00:29:21] Speaker B: Well, so in the case I did last week, it was the 16 year old was really the ringleader of this gang going around killing people.
But she was 16 and it was only her and one other guy that actually were pulling the triggers. The other two were just there but they were counted the same because they were part of it.
But the other guy got the death penalty because he was 19.
Where really he was doing everything because the 16 year old girl was telling him to.
But she only has life in prison. He's already been executed like because this happened in the early 90s. Yeah, but she was really the cause of it and she was the master manipulator. And because of certain laws and rules. This was in Dayton, Ohio.
I was doing some research. She actually because she was a minor when this happened and when she was sentenced she has to have parole. Now they don't have to grant it to her, but there's this law in Ohio that she has the right to parole hearings because she was a minor. And it was just was kind of crazy that like he died for it. Even though they all were terrible, they all need to be behind bars for the rest of their life. But how four people with the worst one hitting the least sentence.
[00:30:40] Speaker A: Right.
And I think as an over like as a staple I I think any, even if tried as an adult you should get, you should be eligible for parole. I like that because then that gives situations like in the juvenile case I was talking about where I don't think they're a threat to society. It would give them an opportunity to get out. And there's so many other stories like that one. It's not just that one.
Not where what is that, you know really something bad and evil but it.
[00:31:10] Speaker B: Gives the girl from lastly was just evil. That's just.
[00:31:14] Speaker A: And if we give them the right like you said, they don't have to. I mean me and you have said before we don't ever think Susan Smith is going to get paroled. So but it at least gives a procedure and a board power to Let somebody out if deemed appropriate.
And it's very hard to win those. I mean, look at Charles Manson. They applied for parole several times before some of them got it.
And you may disagree with that. But I do like the idea of parole for juveniles that commit violent crimes because if there ever is a time to let them out, at least there is a board of people that would. A majority would have to agree to release them. I like that process as a staple, you know, even if tried as an adult.
[00:32:01] Speaker B: I think it probably for me depends on the situation. That girl killed six people like you not coming back from that one. But for somebody that was choose like.
[00:32:11] Speaker A: Well, which crimes get it and which don't. And because situations are always so different. So I think if you just make it part of the process, a pro board's going to know that they're going to get the heinousness of the crime.
[00:32:24] Speaker B: She just killed out of boredom. So I mean, I think with her situation, she was bored. She just killed people. She's always gonna kill people. And I think any like psychiatrist would, that would come in and examine her would see she's a sociopath kind of thing. Where the person who was breaking in to get money for drugs probably was not a sociopath. Just stupid.
[00:32:46] Speaker A: Stupid, right, Absolutely. A teenager. Yeah.
So that wraps up our Homicide during the Holidays series.
Let us know what y' all thought of this series. I don't know where we're headed next in January if Lauren does chime in now. If not, we'll let you know when we figure it out ourselves.
[00:33:08] Speaker B: I think we have some different thoughts coming up. Like possibly having some of our fans come on and have like their thoughts. But that's if we can pull their arm into being on this or go in deep diving into some different cult sister wives, like those type things kind of maybe a little all from just straight up like murder, mayhem, Dateline.
[00:33:35] Speaker A: After our homicide holidays. These have been some really dark.
[00:33:42] Speaker B: Oh yeah, these cases have been terrible. These murders at the holidays.
So maybe something a little more. Not that cults are light hearted, but a little more.
Less murder.
But y' all give us ideas. Send us a dm, send us an email. We'd love to have it, but we hope you all have a happy New Year.
[00:34:00] Speaker A: Stay safe. Bye Bye.
