Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
[00:00:05] Speaker B: It's Lacey and I'm Lauren with special guest, my diva Kitty over here. If you're watching this, you can see her. She's sunning today.
[00:00:15] Speaker A: I see that.
And welcome to another episode of the Llamas podcast. Before we get started with our topic today, which is Krista Pike, I do think we need to let our listeners know we actually did not attend the 20 year reunion.
[00:00:31] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:00:33] Speaker A: So I was not as well. Like my, my dog has been sick for a while, so I've just grieved her for a long time. I thought I would be better emotionally. I wasn't. I was wrong. Also my kids took it really hard and a lot harder than I thought they would comprehend and I could not leave them. So I actually didn't make it. I was bummed, but I don't regret it. Like I was where I needed to be with my family and home.
Lauren, why didn't you go?
[00:01:01] Speaker B: Lacy was the reason I was going, if you want to be honest here. Me and Aaron had both been on the fence. We do have T shirts though, so we can still wrap our T shirts if they do a party like they're planning to do. I may would attend that, just depending. It's just I will say though, like the night the reunion was supposed to happen, like we talked about, like a lot of our friends weren't going to be able to make it because it was last minute. So I think that played a bigger part into me. Like if it had just been oh, Lacey's and Kitty's moving if you're watching. If it had been just Lacey wasn't coming but like a bunch of other people were. But really not a lot of my friend group went in general from what I could see from the pictures.
So me and Aaron still got together and took our kids out and then I went to my kids school's homecoming game and my children were happy. I wasn't without them that night. But you know, if there's a party and it works out with my schedule, I will go. It's just life is right now I'm in birthday party zone with 900 invitations from all the kids at school. So that's kind of my life right now.
[00:02:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
So maybe we'll make it to 30 pay, you know, keep listening for the next decade and you'll find out.
But yeah, so we didn't make it, but we were where we were supposed to be.
We actually did lose not our classmate in our class, but a classmate two years ahead of us passed away actually like it was like the night of the 20 year reunion.
[00:02:40] Speaker B: It was the night I passed away Thursday. And I think the family let people know, like Friday or Saturday.
[00:02:48] Speaker A: But good. Like he was always so, so nice. I don't have, like, I wasn't super close to him but you know, the moments I did have with him, I remember him being at like a wedding and he was just always just really nice and kind and full of life. And I've read a lot of things on Facebook that were just so touching and moving. The biggest one was Tyler Page. I don't know if you read his post.
[00:03:10] Speaker B: I saw his. It was so sweet.
[00:03:13] Speaker A: Yeah. He just didn't feel like, you know, a well known person. And Nick took him under his wing and really gave him confidence. It sounded like.
[00:03:23] Speaker B: Yeah, I really did not. I mean like, no, he wasn't like in my friend group in school. I mean we were two years younger than him and we were in different groups but nobody's really said a bad word about him. So thoughts and prayers for his family because 40 is way too young to not be here anymore for sure.
[00:03:41] Speaker A: So sending our love to his, all those who were close to him, especially his children.
So moving on from Union and missing out on that, move it to Krista Pike. So we are recording this on Thursday. October 1st is being released. We know on Fridays. So this is what we know right now.
I would anticipate by tomorrow we will have another update.
[00:04:09] Speaker B: Double check and make sure so that they haven't released any. I've looked at this like 30 minutes ago. I'm just gonna look.
[00:04:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
So my.
To just, just to give a background. Krista pike was 18 years old. She was dating a boy, 17 years old. And there was, I guess he was cheating on her. Talks about him liking this other girl. He just. She thought he liked her. Right?
[00:04:38] Speaker B: She. No, I don't think there's ever been anything, any truth to it. It was just she thought her boyfriend, she thought this girl liked her boyfriend. So there's been nothing else substantiated on that.
[00:04:52] Speaker A: Right. But the boyfriend was involved.
[00:04:54] Speaker B: So yeah, the boyfriend was definitely involved. But like as far as the girl's concerned, obviously she's dead. So she can't say. But nobody ever said, oh yeah, they were having an affair, she was in love with him or whatever else.
[00:05:06] Speaker A: And she was about the same age as them and they lured her away from where they were working and beat and tortured her to death.
Krista pike kept a piece of her skull for 36 hours.
That is kind of what got her Caught so quickly. We talked about Eileen Warnos a little bit. Krista pike was not as intelligent as Eileen.
I do believe that with Krista Pike's past and her mental state at the time, she probably would have continued killing or in. In the heat of a moment would have killed someone else had she not been caught so soon.
But she was caught really soon because she was bragging about it showed skull piece. And so she was arrested. She was noticed for the death penalty. Her boyfriend was not because of the age. She was 18, he was 17. So. So he could not be noticed for the death penalty. So he got life without parole.
[00:06:02] Speaker B: She he had life with the option of parole. But he is eligible for parole because at that time I think it was the laws at that time the reason there's a parole on the table similar to Susan Smith laws were different in the mid-90s.
[00:06:18] Speaker A: But he's not been paroled.
[00:06:20] Speaker B: No. No. And he's probably never going to be.
[00:06:23] Speaker A: No, I doubt it. So she, from what Lauren was telling me, she was offered the.
[00:06:31] Speaker B: She was life.
Yes. So I guess let's just kind of start from her beginning, I guess in case people so realistically she was working at. They were all in school at this place called Job Corpse. It's on the University of Tennessee's campus in Knoxville, Tennessee.
And she was there and the victim was there as well. The victim had came from Florida to go to this training because it was supposed to be like a training that could help you get a job, I guess like easier or something like it was. She was there for computers. But it was called Job Corpse. It actually shut down after all this happened because people became concerned with violence.
So I kind of did a little bit more research into what Job Corpse was. It said it was more for troubled youth type situation to help them get careers. And so it seemed that instead of being a bet now this is just from a few articles I've read. Them being a better place for them. It actually made like more bad activity because half of them were showing up with knives. Like it was not the best of places.
And I will say the victims and why am I blanking on her mind? Christine, what's her name? What was the victim's name?
[00:07:47] Speaker A: Oh my God.
[00:07:48] Speaker B: Why can I not think of.
[00:07:49] Speaker A: We always remember the her.
[00:07:51] Speaker B: Well, that's what the whole part of this is awful for is. Yes. Because she's not being remembered. But she had actually called her mom.
What was it?
[00:08:00] Speaker A: Colleen.
[00:08:01] Speaker B: Colleen. Yeah. I knew it was another C and I just could not get there. But she had actually called her mom beforehand and said there were people being mean to her, like two or three kids really picking on her and being mean to her and stuff. So she had. Now, there's never been substantiated if it was them or not, but. But because at this point, she dead. Nobody knew, but yes. And so they one night after class took her back in on the University of Tennessee's agricultural campus. I'm not sure if that's different or not. They took her back there and they pretty much beat her to death.
The final blow, there were three people involved. One was a lookout. She actually is off. She is not in jail anymore. She did six years, I think, and then she ended up after that getting out because she cooperated with the police and told them everything.
And then there was the boyfriend and Christine pike, and they went out brutally murdered her. It was a hit of asphalt to the skull that ultimately caused her death. And this happened in 1995.
And she went to trial in 1996, I believe it was three days before her trial.
The prosecutors offered her a life in prison sentence and not to go to trial, just to agree to life in prison. Supposedly she went in a room and discussed it with her attorneys for 90 minutes and then said she did not want to take it. She did not want to spend her life in jail.
That was what their. Her reasoning was, is I don't want to spend my life in jail. So at that point she did not take the plea. And so they moved on to a trial.
There is.
So in the trial situation, they did. The jury within one hour convicted her to have the death penalty.
And so then she was originally supposed to be executed in 1997. Obviously, from the get go, everybody knew that wasn't going to happen because they don't move that quick.
I believe it was in 2002, she said she was going to stop pursuing appeals and asked to just be executed quickly in front of a judge.
And I think that was so as a backtrack during this time in 2001, she tried to strangle someone in prison and she was charged attempted murder. So at that point she said, I just want to go ahead and be executed.
But then shortly after that, she decided no, and she started the appeals process again. And then in 2012, she made a plan to escape prison with a security guard who had found a code and somehow had a key. And it seems they were quasi. Almost close to getting her out. And it would be the first time someone had escaped death row.
And so then eventually it came back up all her appeals were exhausted, all that type stuff. And in September 25th, they set her execution for September 30th, 2026.
[00:11:06] Speaker A: Okay.
So one thing that her attorneys have argued was that when determining whether she should get the death penalty or not, the jury did not hear the mitigation of her childhood. So she.
[00:11:22] Speaker B: They did hear parts of it. So that is a misconception. I actually went back and watched some of the testimony from back in the day. I found that, and I watched it. Her parents did testify. They also said she caused a lot of trouble as a child, too. But there was testimony that she was abused and raped as a child. It did not go into a ton of detail, but it was presented. It is not that it wasn't presented at all. It was.
[00:11:52] Speaker A: So the thing with her mom, though, is, from what I've read, too, is her mom didn't always have custody of her and was deep in addiction herself.
So when. If she says Krista was misbehaving, if that's true about her mother, I would say we'll look in the mirror.
You know, what environment are you putting her in as well? So I don't really give her too much credibility with her past.
[00:12:14] Speaker B: There was a social worker that also testified. So it was not just family. There was a social worker. It was put on the stand. Now, did they go into deep details? I don't know. And I don't know what they were allowed to present.
But the fact that it was. It's not like the Menendez brothers, where they said no in the second trial. You can't bring any of this up. It was brought up. Now, did they limit it? I didn't watch that. But there was testimony. What they didn't present was that she had bipolar disorder. Because they didn't know at the time.
[00:12:47] Speaker A: Right. So she was later diagnosed with that. And one thing I did read is she did say that it took years for her to unpack what she actually did. And I believe that with her mental state and how she was carrying around a skull, it's just not normal.
Not.
[00:13:01] Speaker B: But she never apologized to the victims.
[00:13:04] Speaker A: She has. I read to them.
[00:13:09] Speaker B: Nope. All she wrote was, I am sorry for the actions. I watched. I read her clemency petition.
[00:13:15] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:13:16] Speaker B: So if you watch, there's a video from the mom who said the mom of the victim, she's never actually tried to apologize to them, never wrote a letter to them, never made a phone call, never had any contact with.
[00:13:29] Speaker A: She wouldn't be allowed to.
[00:13:31] Speaker B: She could have wrote them a letter.
[00:13:33] Speaker A: I Think whenever I seen any plead with a victim, especially for murder, they're given no contacts by judges.
[00:13:41] Speaker B: Well, she still didn't publicly remorse it, except for in the one clemency statement which I read similar to Susan Smith's remorse, it was there to for clemency.
[00:13:52] Speaker A: The quote I read was that she said it took years for me to unpack what I did. The fact that I took away someone's child, someone's sister, and someone. Something else. And for me, that felt remorseful.
[00:14:06] Speaker B: But that was what she wrote in her clemency petition.
[00:14:10] Speaker A: But to me, that shows remorse. And I get annoyed by victims a lot of times in court because I talk to my clients and I have so many clients that have been so remorseful, but I tell them not to speak in open court because they just don't know what they're doing. And I don't want them to mess up anything, especially if I've got something in place. And so then the victims, but they weren't remorseful. They didn't even apologize. They didn't even speak. And it's just annoying because it's like I chose what to put in here.
[00:14:36] Speaker B: Did you see her last words?
[00:14:38] Speaker A: I did not see her last words.
[00:14:40] Speaker B: No apology there either. Her last words were pretty much thankful to all you people who support me and showed I'm not who you think I am. I'm ready to die. That was her last words. It was pretty much.
And they said even during her execution, she laughed and that could go back
[00:14:59] Speaker A: to bipolar, all of it.
[00:15:00] Speaker B: But, I mean, I don't think it. But I think I'll just be honest. She committed a very heinous crime. Yes, she was young, but I think with hers, for one, she didn't go after her boyfriend. If you think your boyfriend cheating, go kill your boyfriend. Don't kill an innocent woman who was not with your boyfriend, nor did like your boyfriend. And you brutally murdered her and. And you took a piece of her skull and then you tried to kill somebody else six years later. And then even when you're in your mid-30s, you're trying to break out of jail. So for me, it's not just the one act, but she has a consistently.
[00:15:40] Speaker A: And my opinion is different. I take age into account a lot. So the fact that she was 18, her brain is not scientifically fully formed. I take that into consideration with the death penalty. I'm not saying she should be released.
I think she should serve life in prison and never be able to get out. I just don't believe at 18 I don't believe an 18 year old should be sentenced to death. I don't know that if a case comes up where an 18 year old should, you know I really don't like the death penalty. Also from financial aspect with so so now we know that her execution was botched. So they were supposed to kill her yesterday. The state of Tennessee they had already had a botched execution earlier this year. Her attorneys expl her condition with her veins and stuff. They wanted to know how old the drugs were, if they were being properly stored and stuff because she had like
[00:16:33] Speaker B: a rolling vein condition which is a real thing but it was she wanted to be hung because she couldn't go to the electric chair due to be Tennessee only has two methods of execution, injection or electric chair. She stated she could not go to the electric chair because she, she was a Buddhist and that was against her religion. I don't know any, I, I don't know Buddhism so I can't make any comments. And so she has to be hung. But pretty much the special magistrate said that's not in our laws. You either get the choice of electrocution or iv.
So she did tell them all this but I don't, I guess in that situation how do you do we hang people anymore?
[00:17:17] Speaker A: Like is that squad in South Carolina?
[00:17:22] Speaker B: But I mean like is it legal to hang somebody? Because there's been people that have been hung and hadn't died.
Like I just don't know like if, I mean I guess for me, like the issue is for me do I believe in the death penalty or not is more of the thing than if she should get it or not. Because to me I think she's a if somebody's gonna get it, I think she deserves it. But do I think anybody deserves it is more the question for me because yes, she was 18 but how old was Dylann Roof when he went and shot up all those people? I would be on for him getting the death penalty too. And he was only what, 20?
[00:18:05] Speaker A: I, I, I think she's a great example of not the death penalty. So I feel very different. For me I don't believe in the death penalty the older I get and like I said, I don't think we, we don't let people kill people. I don't think the state should kill people. That just doesn't make sense. Second financially and so where I was going with that too is now that they've botched this execution, she's still alive. If she survives this, she's going to have brain damage. How much is that going to cost the state of Tennessee? Because so already you've paid for all these appeals, all of these lawyers, all of these hearings, and now you have paid for these doctors for this medication and all of that. And then now it's a state second botched one. So if she's brain dead, you can't execute her legally anymore.
[00:18:49] Speaker B: She is awake. I did just see she is ill, but awake.
[00:18:54] Speaker A: And if she has brain damage and all this medical attention, you can't execute her and you're going to have to pay for it.
[00:18:59] Speaker B: I mean, I think the financial argument is kind of out the window with executions, honestly, because we, we all know it doesn't make it cheaper. I think execution is a punishment. And this is what my paral had said to me earlier today. She's like, it's not that I don't believe, like it's more the fact that it doesn't deter people from committing a crime like the death penalty. Just the fact is on the table now. I will say though, in her situation, she was given life in prison. We wouldn't have had to go through with a trial had she took that. So do you think that takes into account anything? I mean, not at 18.
[00:19:35] Speaker A: At 30. Yes. At 18. No.
[00:19:39] Speaker B: I mean like they gave her that option and she was pretty much, I don't want to sit in jail.
[00:19:45] Speaker A: Yeah. I guess as far as how immature she was and undeveloped too. The fact that she can't comprehend what that shows to me, she doesn't even comprehend how big this was. Honestly.
[00:19:58] Speaker B: I think to me she did. I think to me it was, I'd rather you kill me. Because she's multiple times said she's ready to die. Even in her later years she has said she. I mean, she's 51 now. So like realistically.
[00:20:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:13] Speaker B: She's as mentally developed as she ever will be now.
[00:20:16] Speaker A: Yeah. But not.
[00:20:17] Speaker B: And she still has said, I would just rather die. I think she said yesterday she was like, I'm at peace, I want to die.
[00:20:25] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, so I guess that brain damage you're not. They're not gonna be able to.
[00:20:29] Speaker B: I don't think she has brain. I've read some medical experts that said because it never really got in her arms that it probably. They probably could flush it out of her body and she's probably going to be fine. She also is naturally redheaded, I've heard. So redheads do have a much higher different drug tolerance and it is genetics.
[00:20:53] Speaker A: You can hang, someone can be executed by hanging. But it's very rare. It's no longer the primary method.
I guess Hampshire lists hanging as an available secondary method. And this is from AI Quick Google Research Research. So don't, you know, take that as it is. I'm not doing heavy research. In the middle of the podcast episode, Washington did allow it by a request, but then they later declared the death penalty unconstitutional. But. So here's my question. If you. The law is the law, right? Somebody said in an interview today, and we're gonna talk about the Cornell seven on another episode, but somebody said was explaining the law in New York and as to why the state didn't press charges. And one of the statements made was, the law is the law. You can choose not to like the law, but you have to take the law as it is, right? And our law says there's no cruel and unusual punishment. So if you agree with the death penalty, you can agree with the death penalty, but you still have to take into account the law that it has to be carried out without cruel and unusual punishment.
So Krista pike received two doses of the lethal injection. It did not work.
What are your thoughts on when it reaches breaking the law of cruel and unusual punishment? If you're saying she, you know, I'm okay that she got the death penalty, but this is, for me, that will cross over into cruel, unusual punishment and break the law. The second dose, should there not be a. Should there be a third or, you know, protocol?
[00:22:20] Speaker B: Like, what are your thoughts? The protocol is two doses. Because sometimes one dose isn't good enough. Law allows for a second dose. I will say what Tennessee uses is a one thing. Like, it was a one. It's been. I can't say it's been a protopoly or something.
[00:22:36] Speaker A: I know what it is. I can't say.
[00:22:38] Speaker B: But like most states that have the death penalty use a three cocktail injection with three different drugs. So, like, I don't know, was Tennessee, were these drugs bad also? I didn't realize the doctor doesn't actually inject the person. I thought the doctor did. I learned today that the doctor didn't do it. That a medical person. And I was like, wow. So I don't know, like, if.
But should that change? Should it be a medical.
But then a. I don't know as a doctor. Because they can do no harm, right?
[00:23:08] Speaker A: They can do no harm and you can't. In death, killing someone is harm, right? So, like, while we have the death penalty, but no doctor can ethically carry out
[00:23:20] Speaker B: a doctor. If, like, there was like a special sanction from the courts or something do it and make it more humane, I guess. Like, could there be something.
[00:23:29] Speaker A: No, it wouldn't be up to the courts. It would be up to the medical board. You would have to get the medical board.
[00:23:34] Speaker B: Medical board to consider to say it's
[00:23:35] Speaker A: not ethical, it's not unethical to carry this.
[00:23:38] Speaker B: How do they put dogs to sleep so calmly and easily? But not people.
[00:23:46] Speaker A: They do. In other cultures, we gotta also think that that's cultural as far as doing no harm and. And injecting a person. Like, yeah, they're not allowed to hear. It's not ethical. And we do not allow for, you know, someone to say they want to pass on their own.
But some cultures do allow it. That is a culture.
[00:24:08] Speaker B: A lot of places allow assisted suicide. And that's a whole nother topic on its own. And I personally believe if you want to do that and you have a terminal disease, you should be able to.
That's not my choice to make.
[00:24:22] Speaker A: But our doctors can't, because in our culture, it is. The ethics of every state, I believe, right now is do no harm. So they cannot legally, like I said, I don't think it'd be up to the court. So it beats the medical board.
[00:24:35] Speaker B: But I think realistically, in this situation, it was.
I don't know. What do you do? Like, I guess, like, that's an issue with our medical licensing and, like, finding some way to make this. I think if you're gonna kill somebody, the lethal injection seems more humane than frying in a chair. Like, I. And the thought of a firing squad.
I mean, the thing is, there's no foolproof way that somebody's gonna die. Like, we were talking about earlier how. And there was a case in Scotland, a woman was hungry, but she didn't die. Now there's, like, a whole pub named after her. And the reason she was being hanged is because she was pregnant with another man's baby. So we have came a long way from those days.
But, like, I don't know. And I don't know at this point, like, what is, what isn't? I mean, to me, I don't know. Like, it's a whole issue. Do I believe in the death penalty or not? But if, let's say 100%, I'm on board. And I do agree with it.
I don't know why there wasn't some law that they. I guess because she couldn't suffer. Because that's the issue. It's supposed to be painless, but it wasn't painless, right? It was painful. And she said her arm felt like it was going to rupture. Like, at that point, should you have just said, okay? And I guess I don't know, because she wouldn't go for the chair. Like, she said she would not take the chair.
So there's options. Like, and is that going to be a way to get out of it and say, well, I don't agree with the chair and I don't agree with the needle because I. I have rolling veins.
And, you know, her attorneys knew they weren't going to hang her because they knew that wasn't Tennessee law. So, like, I don't know. I don't know what you do.
[00:26:12] Speaker A: Yeah.
And I think that's one of the issues with applying the death penalty is everybody is so different. And now you have a situation here where I do believe the Constitution was broken. There was cruel and unusual punishment.
[00:26:26] Speaker B: Where did you find it, though? Like, because she sucked. Because she just didn't die after two.
[00:26:32] Speaker A: Yeah. And the suffering and the fact that they had to rush her to the
[00:26:35] Speaker B: hospital, how did they. I guess the thing is, how do you prepare for that, though? Because this is rare, the fact that after two doses, she didn't. I mean, overall, I think there's only been 10 botched ones with lethal injection,
[00:26:49] Speaker A: but there's two just this year in Tennessee. So something.
[00:26:52] Speaker B: Well, I will say the governor stepped in and he wants a third party to come in and review, but he's
[00:26:59] Speaker A: halted all executions at this point.
[00:27:01] Speaker B: But overall, in the grand scheme of things, lethal injection has been the more humane way of doing it with less.
With people wanting it that way. Like, what do you do for these rare situations that are rare, botched executions are rare.
What do you.
[00:27:21] Speaker A: I don't think they're as rare as we think because the only thing, you know, we're hearing about this, but. But because it was so. And I will say the reporters were really helpful for me in understanding this because one reporter said she's been to, I think, 10 executions or something, and this one was so rare. She said it was so weird. They kept closing the curtain. They kept opening it. So I think there's a lot more that happened in that room that we
[00:27:41] Speaker B: don't know about that looking at just from the Death Penalty Information center. Overall, there has been around 7 to 10 where the person lived, but 64 to 75 total where they died. But it was considered botched. So I don't, I mean, over all, how many people have been executed.
[00:28:04] Speaker A: So the reason I believe there's More is because like even in South Carolina's recent executions, I take that as being botched because they did not, they did suffer before dying. So one of the ones I think the firing squad, like they missed his heart.
So he did not die instantly. To me that's botched. So I think it also goes to your interpretation. But I mean if what is supposed to happen happens, that's not botched. But I think more times they get evidence after that. It does.
[00:28:32] Speaker B: That's what it said was about 70 people that it was botched, but the person still died. But they still considered it botched. They still died.
So I guess and we're looking at like probably close to 2,000 people have been executed.
So we're looking at what maybe like 5% ish. So I don't know, like I just, I don't know. I don't know what you do.
[00:28:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean I don't know either other than just the only way to protect everybody from a botched execution is to not do them and you know, just have life in prison. But if, if you're going to do them, I don't know, I don't think there is an answer to happens because so many things can happen and like you said, without a doctor being able to be involved is going to happen. And I don't see the medical boards changing their minds.
[00:29:26] Speaker B: And I will say I think there may be a change because there is more of a push here to be able to allow physician assisted suicide. And so I don't know if that comes into play, will that change how we do? I don't know. I guess the whole question, I feel like in this situation, did you. I guess the most shocking thing in all of this to me is the fact the Supreme Court of the United States got involved.
That was shocking to me at this point because it was. I guess the thing is she had exhaust not the Supreme Court, but the Supreme Court got involved at this like 11th hour type situation. Like they made their rule. So like she was supposed to be executed at what like 10 o' clock in the morning, filed the appeal. The appeal court was 2 to 1 that they pause it for more examination.
And then when that happened, the Attorney General applied to the Supreme Court for them to hear it right away. And, and I guess I was kind of surprised the Supreme Court came back that quick of time and actually waiting in on this decision that she was allowed to be executed. And with executions, I know you've all seen it on the news that they had to do it by midnight. Because it was allowed for that day. It wasn't. And they have to reset a date. So I guess to me, I was a little surprised. Our Supreme Court, which I know they don't have to hear stuff, they could have just let it roll and not make any decision and it would have been halted. But they specifically ordered in that short of time that she be executed. And I just. I was really surprised. I kind of thought the appeal court said, hey, we're going to halt it. I said, was halted. They'll go through this. Not to say she's not going to be executed, but the fact the Supreme Court, in that short of an hour, waiting in like, it was kind of surprising to me.
[00:31:24] Speaker A: Do you think if she survives this, that they will still try to execute her or will it be converted?
[00:31:34] Speaker B: I'm wondering now if the state of Tennessee is going to go change their rules. Because if they had two botched so
[00:31:39] Speaker A: close together, every defense attorney is going to be on that.
Yeah.
[00:31:46] Speaker B: So I don't know. I think at this point, I don't know if they will ever tell her she's off death row, but I don't know if they will actually go ask for another date for her to be executed. I. I don't know.
[00:31:58] Speaker A: Because we don't know the capacity she'll be in to even understand it at this point. Because like you said with you read those expert opinions. The expert opinions I've read are quite opposite.
[00:32:09] Speaker B: I think it depends. Did it actually go in her veins? And I think the thought is it didn't go in her veins.
Yeah, it's just like floating around. That's why her arm felt like it was about to explode, because they never actually got it in her blood system, which would make a difference on that. And I don't know. I don't know what they're gonna do with her. I don't know. Is she going to be just in a medical facility? Is she going to be completely coherent? Are they going to stick her in, Say she's not in death row, stick her on gin pop, and let her kill somebody else? I truly don't know. I think she's evil in the on. Like, I don't say that about a lot of people being truly evil, but
[00:32:47] Speaker A: actually, Eileen was evil.
[00:32:49] Speaker B: No.
[00:32:50] Speaker A: Interesting.
[00:32:51] Speaker B: No. Okay.
[00:32:52] Speaker A: Sean wants a better episode on Eileen.
[00:32:54] Speaker B: So I would say for Eileen, to me, she was damaged, but she killed the men who wronged her. She wasn't just out killing random people for the sake of killing. She was killing the men coming to sleep with her.
[00:33:08] Speaker A: I think Krista pike was damaged. I think she's mentally unwell.
[00:33:12] Speaker B: I'm not saying she didn't have damage, but who she went after shows me. I think some of it is like a woman is so jealous, she just became a rage. I mean, we can say that. But, you know, 50 years ago you were a woman at. I mean, that's the thing.
[00:33:31] Speaker A: Her boyfriend was just as involved. And because he's a few months younger, can't get the death penalty.
[00:33:36] Speaker B: He didn't give the final blow.
So I don't know, like, realistically, even if this. If he had been 18, he was now. He is the one that carved the pentagram on her chest. So he did admit to that, but he was not 18. I mean, yeah, he wasn't 18, but he was not the final blow. So I guess he was never committed murder. He was attempted murder. Right.
[00:33:57] Speaker A: Because if you're in the commission of a felony and somebody dies, that's murder. That's felony.
[00:34:03] Speaker B: I mean, I guess there was more mitigation to him than her, though, because he did not actually.
[00:34:12] Speaker A: Huh, the lookout.
[00:34:14] Speaker B: No, he wasn't the lookout.
[00:34:17] Speaker A: This information is coming from the lookout or from him who's also trying to save his own ass.
[00:34:22] Speaker B: Oh, no. She flat out said she killed her. She said she reenacted the scene and showed him what she did. Like, there's no debate who hit the f. She said it was with the asphalt. She picked up asphalt and struck her in the head to kill her. Like he did. He admit, like. And they had said so. The reason it became so popular is because they thought it was a satanic cult ritual back in the 90s because of the pentagram.
[00:34:46] Speaker A: Big back then too.
[00:34:47] Speaker B: So because of that. And he did come out and say he drew the pentagram, so. And at this point, he's going to be in jail for life. I don't see him li. Like, they can't go back and give him a death penalty. They can't do anything else. He is what he is.
But if he'd been 18, I probably would have been okay with him getting the death penalty too.
I mean, I just feel like she was one of those people. There's just. I don't know. I think in this world there are evil people walking the world, and there's something about her that gave it to me. And sometimes you can't explain it. But I've been finding Susan Smith had been committed to death. If we're okay with the death penalty, Susan Smith could have got it for all I cared but the jury didn't
[00:35:27] Speaker A: find it for death penalty or not.
[00:35:30] Speaker B: But the case is it wasn't that the prosecution didn't want to give her the death penalty. The jury didn't convict her, which I guess is also one of the hard things because you can have 10 different juries and always get 10 different results.
And that's just how life is interesting.
[00:35:47] Speaker A: Well, that's.
I'm sure we'll do a follow up next week as to what her condition is.
I'm sure by next week we will have more information on what her condition is and probably more information about how it was botched, I would think, like, did it stay in her arm and, you know, if she has any damage. So definitely a controversial topic. This is one that, you know, me and Lauren are definitely on different sides online. So let us know what your thoughts are.
You know, what would, you know, change to cruel and unusual punishment if you do believe in the death penalty? I'm very curious if anybody has any answers on that.
And catch us next week. I think we're talking about Caleb Flynn next week.
[00:36:29] Speaker B: Yep, we are. So keep updated with everything. And we'll still keep you updated on Lindsay Clancy, too, because we got so much more going on with her.
[00:36:38] Speaker A: Yep. He's got a hearing coming up in about two weeks. So just keep us. We'll keep you all updated and we'll see you next week.
[00:36:46] Speaker B: All right, bye.
