Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
Hey, everybody, it's Lacey and I'm Lauren. And welcome to another episode of the Llamas podcast.
[00:00:12] Speaker B: And today we are just kind of gonna do like a little pop culture update with some cases that have been bigger like that. We've seen some stuff like the Menendez brothers, some stuff that's trending right now with the Biggest Loser documentary on Netflix and just kind of those type things to have a little episode today. And then we're going to start a different series for September. We're having Serial Killer September where we're going to discuss, I guess, some of the most prolific serial killers and maybe how some of that. I think in discussing this, a lot of serial killers have interested in the 70s, 80s, kind of how that would change now with DNA and those type things that weren't available.
And then for October, we're going to do some supernatural type cases, creepy cases.
So if you have any cases that deal with the supernatural stuff or haunted stuff, paranormal, and you want us to dig into, send us a dm because that's going to be our October one. And I'm really looking forward to telling you all about the Amityville Horror House and is it haunted?
[00:01:14] Speaker A: Okay. And before we jump into today, first off, I am so tired. I told I recently rescheduled this this week because I went to Atlanta to see Asia Wilson.
So just shout out to her, Lauren. Seeing her in, like, again live in front of me was just a dream. She's so beautiful. I think she needs to be our new Statue of Liberty.
I know. And we met a friend named Dwayne. He sat beside us, like, there's one chair before the aisle. And I thought, like, oh, well, maybe me and Allison just won't have anybody there. No, we had Dwayne. And Dwayne was great. He was an Atlanta Dream fan and. But he too, loves Asia Wilson. So when she came out, we squealed together and we fan together and, like, fanned ourselves with our towels. And he also thinks that she should be our new Statue of Liberty or build a statue of her beside the Statue of Liberty, because that's just how.
[00:02:05] Speaker B: Important Asia Wilson is, not Don Staley.
[00:02:10] Speaker A: Well, we could do both. I. I'm not opposed to having both. I mean, I will say he called her the goat. And I said, yeah, of course she's the goat. She was coached by the goat. And he agreed.
But he was really struggling because he is such a dream fan. Like, he goes like, he's got, like a package deal, goes to so many games, but he just loves her. And I did see a press conference where some of the players for the Atlanta Dream were like, if you're here to come see Gamecocks, we've got Gamecocks, too. Like, it's not cool that we don't have a home court advantage. But I don't know, I was kind of thinking that just happens in a lot of sports. Like, I mean, when LeBron James was with the Heat, no matter where the Heat went, there were tons of Heat fans just because they love LeBron James. And the same thing with the Chicago Bulls, with Michael Jordan. Like, she's just so iconic right now and so good.
Like, you're just gonna have that wherever she goes right now.
[00:03:06] Speaker B: But one thing that's kind of like a big thing in the pro sports, too. Like, just because, like, here in the south, we have a lot of Steelers fans, we have a lot of Cowboys fans like Lacey, and there's a decent amount of, like, packers fans down here, even though, yeah, the packers are a cult, and their way of life is just My paralegals from Wisconsin, and she's told me all about the life of the packers up there. I think in pro sports, there's just more of that issue, because you do have such. Yeah, right. Like, Steph Curry goes somewhere, people love him. I mean, I went and saw him.
[00:03:41] Speaker A: When I was in Colorado, you know, and I. I loved Steph Curry. And I think sometimes people in sports just follow athletes instead of teams, and sometimes it's because of our college connections.
I mean, look at how many people became Jacksonville Jaguars fans with what. With Trevor Lawrence went there.
[00:03:59] Speaker B: Well, and, like, I did say Spencer Rattler is going to play for the New Orleans Saints.
So I. I'm honestly not a pro football fan. Like, my husband pulls for the Panthers. So because we're here in South Carolina, he will pull. It's kind of weird. He sometimes is a Falcons fan, sometimes it's a Panthers fan because the Panthers didn't come about until the mid-90s.
So before that, he was a Falcons fan because it was, like, the closest place to us. But then he felt he needed to become a Panthers fan. So I don't really care. I will just support him and his whims. Although last year he decided he was a Bengals fan.
A quiz on Buzzfeed told him he needed to be a Bengals fan.
So, whatever, I don't care.
But I will say I will follow athletes. And so that is why I will care more is because I will be like, oh, Spencer Rattler, I hope you do good.
Really don't give a crap, but I will pull for him. Or if I've met an athlete, I like to pull for them. After meeting that, like, I remember, like, in college, like, my friend Caesar was friends with Jared Cook, so I just pulled for him. He was a Carolina athlete, and for him, wherever he went, even though I really didn't care. And, like, Debo, you know, I pull for the 49ers because of Debo. And I'm sure, like, there's a. I feel like there's a decent amount of people who just.
[00:05:17] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:05:17] Speaker B: Pick or even, like, even if you didn't have a college connection, like, I know plenty of people were just Tom Brady fans, and when he left the Patriots, they did, too.
[00:05:27] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree. I mean, I remember as Gamecock fans, when Jadevion Clowney went to the Texans, that's when desean Watson was there. So, like, we were like, yeah, we want their defense to do great, with their offense to suck. I mean, those college ties just carry in. And I think a lot of Gamecock fans were so bummed when, like, Connor Shaw didn't make it in the pros because we just loved who he was on and off the field. So I think with women's sports just getting bigger, like, I just don't think this is anything they've ever experienced before in the wnba. But because the WNBA is getting so big and the talent level is just increasing every. Every single year, I mean, it's just really blowing up, and it's a beautiful thing to see. And so it sucks. I hate it. For the ladies that felt that way last night when they played for the ones playing for the dream.
It wasn't just Gamecock fans there to see. Asia Wilson, like, it had nothing. I don't want to say had nothing to do with that.
Yes, I had a part of what to do with it. But now Asia Wilson is just such a big, iconic figure in the WNBA and with Nike and with her brand as a person, you know, it's. It's just wherever she goes, it's gonna happen. But so moving on, I did have a question involved in that, but I think we took enough time talking about sports.
So diving into our topic, we just want to give some updates. So, first is the Menendez brothers, and they had their parole hearings. And I'll be honest, I've been really out of the loop. So, Lauren, I'm gonna let you just kind of talk about what's been going on.
If both of them have had their hearings, if just one. I'm really not sure. Like I said, I'm in trial prep.
[00:07:13] Speaker B: So they both have had their hearings. One went on Thursday and one went on Friday. And they're obviously in California. So, like, their time frame was three hours behind us here.
So a lot of they televised.
I don't know. I did not. I just watched, like, recap. Like, honestly, I woke up on Friday, I guess, and that was when I watched the Today show almost every morning while getting ready. Shout out to Craig, Craig Melvin, who is a South Carolina person and he's a Walford alum. And if he ever watches this, we'd love to have you as a guest, because I love him.
But they announced on that that overnight Eric went first. Eric's parole hearing was first and it was denied. And then pretty much the same thing happened with ly.
But the biggest things with it where they stated, I think the parole board did not want to give in to the pop culture part of it and like, how they've made such. But one of the big things they said was that they had contraband while in prison, that they had contraband cell phones, both of them, and that that was not good behavior pretty much because they both had these contraband cell phones. And that is something they look at when paroling people. And there are things where if they can't follow the rules here in prison, why would they follow the rules outside of prison, inside of the contraband cell phones? They also stated, I think Lyle seemed to have more remorse. I believe Lyle's the older brother, Eric's the younger one, seemed to have more remorse. Eric did not seem to have that much remorse about any of it, they said.
But I think it came down to the fact that they have not.
Well, I do think Lal's in a lot of good things in prison. I think he's tried to help other inmates. He's been part of, like, their cooks team, like their chefs, all that stuff. I think these are like mid. Not religious ministries, but like ministries for inmates and like grief counseling, all this type stuff. I don't think Eric has been quite as involved with that.
But they did have contraband cell phones. And they said that's not a reason that because of that they're not going to give them parole, but they can reapply in three years. But before that, they will have their other hearings, probably if they're going to get a retrial or not, or if all that type stuff comes into play.
Eric Menendez's daughter was speaking out, and this is technically his stepdaughter.
Because he's been in prison since he was, like, 18. And I don't know if y' all want to know this part, but in California, if you are life in prison, like what they previously were, they could not have conjugal visits. So even though. So him and his wife technically have never consummated their marriage.
Now, I don't know now that the fact that he's not life in prison anymore with no possibility of parole, if he can go get those conjugal visits. Don't really want to know that part.
[00:10:21] Speaker A: I want to know. I. I want to know if I'm being honest.
[00:10:26] Speaker B: That's just always been, like, gross to me. Like, here, let's go on this bed that a thousand other people have been on, and no guards know what we're doing, and they're outside the door.
[00:10:36] Speaker A: Visits have always just blown my mind anyway. Like, you're in jail that they're even a thing.
[00:10:44] Speaker B: But whatever. But it is his stepdaughter, and she went on talking about he needed his own cell phone because they always listened to what he said on the phones in prison.
But I mean, everybody that expected kind of thing, but also that they abused him, they chained him to beds, and all this other stuff. So she went on this long tirade.
But at this point, they're just waiting it out till either they get this new trial part of it, or they can reapply in three years.
But pretty much they've been having contraband in jail was the biggest reason.
And they did say they thought they were still a threat to society, which I don't know if that is true or not, because they only killed their mom and dad. So I don't know if they're really right.
But it's hard to know with people like, you got so angry you killed them. If something else bad happened to you, would you get that angry again?
[00:11:38] Speaker A: Right?
And just a side note, like, I mean, I know people in prison, oh, they shouldn't have cell phones because they should just be locked away without anything. But the. The most important reason for the cell phones is there have been scams that inmates have ran. There's been one out of SCDC that they're pretty sure came out of here, where they will pose on dating a female. And then once somebody talks to her, they exchange, you know, images.
And then at some point, they will say, the person will say, oh, I'm underage. And then there's like, a fake cop that reaches out to the person. The. The other person on the outside is like, oh, you were talking to my daughter. She's underage. If you don't pay me all this money, I'm turning you into the police. And there have been several suicides because men have thought that they were talking to these under age women and they didn't realize it because they're like on a dating website 18 and over. And now they're being extorted, but they don't know that they're being extorted. They think they're going to go to, you know, prison for this awful crime of, you know, having communication with minors. So I do know that having a cell phone is a really big thing right now as far as, like contraband goes. And I can understand inmates wanting to have contact with their family. Right? Like, I can't imagine not being able to reach out to my loved ones and stuff. So I can't imagine how hard it is to just have that disconnect. And you know, we're all humans even, even with what we do.
So imagine, you know, having a cell phone is nice, especially if somebody's like a parent, they have kids and maybe they're in for something that's, you know, not violent, but whatever it is. And I can understand that aspect, but as a policy, I think for like parole and, and cops and stuff like that, and the FBI, because they've gotten involved in some of these things because of the suicides that have happened because of these inmates running these extortion scams. So I do think they're just going to come down pretty harsh on that because of what's going on across the country with those extortion scams. Even though I'm not saying the Menendez brothers did that. I mean, there hasn't been anything that they have, but I think that's one of the reasons why they're coming down so hard on cell phones right now.
[00:13:53] Speaker B: Well, we will see what happens in their case and we'll keep you updated as stuff progresses. But another thing we want to talk about today, and this is something that a lot of us are watching on Netflix, is the biggest loser documentary.
I have watched two parts of it. I still have the third part to watch, but it's been really interesting to me. I did watch this show back in the day and I was like, oh, this is so awesome. They're trying to really help these people, right?
As a chubby person in my life, I was like, this is so sweet. Like, but then like it was, are they really trying to help fat people? Are they making fun of fat people and all this other stuff. But one aspect that came up that I thought was really something from the legal perspective is one of the contestants was talking about how she was picked up and she was taken to a hotel in California.
This is before they go the branch and all this stuff. And they put them in a hotel room, secluded them, which is really common before you on reality tv, like any show, like Big Brother, any of that stuff, they seclude you first because they. You do have to go through psychological testing and everything.
[00:15:02] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:15:03] Speaker B: They give you this, like, contract this big. And she said, I don't know what I'm reading. I need an attorney. And they pretty much said, well, we'll get you an attorney, but Bob over here is willing to sign. So if he signs first, he gets the spot kind of thing.
And so pretty much if she wanted to be on the show, I can't remember which girl this was. I think her name was Christine. Thing I can't remember.
[00:15:25] Speaker A: And I haven't gotten to that part yet. I did start watching it, but I think I'm like halfway, maybe three, four through the first part. So I haven't gotten to what you're talking about just yet.
[00:15:37] Speaker B: But in this scenario, like, they told her so, like, she signed the contract. And so, like, I guess, like, it had me thinking, like, these are called contracts of adhesion because it's pretty much take it or leave it. But then I was wondering, like, if something did, like, pretty much they wave and say, if I die, we're not going to sue you.
And I'm just wondering, like, I don't think anybody ever died on the Biggest Loser, but if somebody did, they signed it and I'm sure they assigned it so, like, their family and all could not sue. But how likely would, I guess, would the courts be to even uphold these contracts? Because it's really hard. They're not signed on duress, I guess. And it like a gun is not to your head, you are not feeling like.
But it's also like you're being forced. And I know we all sign these contracts of adhesion. Like, you walk into a baseball game, you get hit by a baseball, you've taken that risk.
But on something so big where, like, honestly, you are, you know, eating 800 calories a day and burning 6,000, and you're going from being 400 pounds, 150 pounds, like, this is more than just a little thing you're signing away. This really is your health.
And so I'm gonna. I just was interested to see your thoughts. Do you think A court should uphold these contracts because.
[00:17:02] Speaker A: I don't like it. And it kind of reminds me of some of the sketchiness of the Ocean Gate documentary. Like I said, I haven't gotten to this, but, you know, there was some sketchy things and some contracts that they had as well with people going on the submarine. It also reminds me of the cruise one. I don't know if you saw the poop cruise, but, you know, they, they signed the.
Like when you do the cruise, like you had a sign like that, you basically could never sue them for anything ever.
And so just kind of tying along with some of those things. Like, no, I. I don't think they should be upheld. I don't think you should be able to have a contract and corner somebody and it be okay.
[00:17:50] Speaker B: Well, especially I feel like in this situation, like, I guess, you know, anything's risky and dealing with your health, but you're thinking you're going on here to get healthy and improve your life. And then you get on here and like, they are going against doctor's wishes. So, like, I don't know if you got to the parts. I can't remember when stuff was happening, but that there is a doctor on Vegas. There was a doctor on Vegas. Loser. He was actually the team doctor for, I think Raiders. I think I can't run NFL team. But he was telling them, like, the most important things, you know, is diet. But diet doesn't sell. Seeing them puke on the treadmill, sales when you're being yelled at. But saying, oh, please eat this salad with low fat dressing. All this stuff is not as exciting as, yeah, oh my gosh, like, he passed out running up this hill. But the doctor was telling them how important it was to have a calorie intake of at least like 1200 a day for women, 1500 for men. And this was the minimums. Like, he was pushing this. And then you say, like, Bob and. And I love Bob Harper. Like, I really thought.
And to this day, I still like him. I think he just went a little crazy on the show. But you see like, Bob and Jillian, like, telling people, I don't care what the doctor says. He says we say, eat 800 calories and then you need to do this workout. I don't care if you're going to pass out. I don't care if you're going to puke, puke, get back up and keep running. And this was all against the doctor's advice on how to deal with these people.
So I guess, like, some of that is, like, you Know you're signing away your rights, but if you do have a good medical team that's telling you what to do, you don't feel as nervous. But then your trainers here are giving you the opposite advice of a doctor. And the doctor was not consulted on a lot of their challenges and stuff.
[00:19:43] Speaker A: That's so scary. And they probably signed contracts where they're okay to do all of that. And that's not okay. I mean, when you know that there's risks. As you know, this television company knew that they were risk and they were risking people's lives. And they know it from a doctor. And you're just saying a contract, you just force it on somebody just to make it okay and cover cya.
[00:20:05] Speaker B: I don't know if we cuss, but big company too. Like, yeah, like, this was what was Biggest Loser NBC. So, you know, they had teams of these attorneys that drafted these contracts. They had so much to back them up doing this. And you're just a regular person and you ask for an attorney and they can't even give you an hour to sit down with an attorney to review this, like, contract. This is thick. I mean, I just, I don't know. Like, I always enjoyed this show back in the day and then watching this. Well, not. I only watched it for a few seasons. Like, I enjoyed it more with Caroline Ray as the host because I like her.
But after seeing this and seeing the behind the scenes and also they were letting like Bob and Jillian give like, advice like they were therapists. And I think that's another. No, no too. Because they are not like being in this situation. They should have had actual therapists and psychiatrists on the set to help them. Because a lot of times these people that are overweight, it's not just about liking food. It's a lot more than that. You have medical issues, you have hard times, mental blocks. And they didn't have any support or anything.
[00:21:27] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:21:27] Speaker B: And here's Bob telling them, just run and that'll get you through it. Like, nah, that's not how that works. Exercise is good for you. It builds endorphins. Yes. But there is a balance. And I guess that the documentary just got me all in my feels, I guess for these people.
[00:21:43] Speaker A: Well, I mean, if we think back when it was on the tv. On TV too. We were just at such an unhealthy part with body imaging and stuff like that. And I, I still, I definitely think that we are for sure better than we were.
But I still wish, I still want to improve it even more. Like, we want healthy bodies. It doesn't matter what you look like. And healthy is not a size zero all the time. It depends on everybody's body, you know.
[00:22:17] Speaker B: Losing 200 pounds in two months because you starve yourself.
[00:22:22] Speaker A: But, like, think of when this was on. I mean, around that time, there were pictures of Kim Kardashian pregnant with preeclampsia, which could have killed her, and they made fun of her for looking like a whale.
I saw where Mary Kate and Ashley were asked what their size was when they were teens, and I think it was by, like, Ellen DeGeneres or somebody. But they were on a TV show like, oh, what size are you? Why is that? That was not important. And they were kids. Like, why would you ingrain that? So when that TV show was on and running, I mean, things in pop culture at the time with celebrities and it portrayed onto everyday people with weight and stuff was just so ugly and so nasty during that time with magazines. And I think we've talked about that before in a previous episode. And so I think that that all played into why they thought they could do these things and get away with it and be okay. I think now we have a much better understanding of, you know, health is mind, body, and soul. Like, it's all of that.
All of that is what it takes to be healthy. If I'm working out every day and.
But I'm. I'm binge eating and I'm depressed.
I'm not healthy, you know, Yeah, I might be on the treadmill for 30. I'm getting all my cardio in, but I'm not in a healthy place. And I think we're finally getting to a place in society where mind, body, and soul, it takes everything that you're looking at as a health point. And I.
I would hope that a show like that would not even succeed today.
[00:23:57] Speaker B: Right. I feel like I think it is important to be healthy, but I think, yeah, that's so much more. Like you said, like, it's, you know, not sitting on the treadmill for three hours.
It's, you know, doing some treadmill, doing some strength, but also listening to your body. Because that was one of the things. Like this one woman just said, my body is telling me no. And they would be like, no, that's just your mind. It's not your body. But it wasn't. Her body was telling her no, she passed out. That's your body saying stop.
[00:24:25] Speaker A: Right? Yeah. And I think there would be a way to do that show on a healthy level, like, if you showed the meetings with the doctors and the doctors educating them on, hey, we took a sample of your blood. These, your cholesterol is high. This is things. But we've got a nutritionist. And, you know, that would help educate so many people, too, because, I mean, growing up, I didn't know what a protein was, was it what a carb was, what would lower my cholesterol, what foods made my cholesterol higher. Like, these are all things that I've had to learn myself as I get older. And so I do think there's a place for that, a show like that today, but in a healthier and safer space where you wouldn't be as worried about these contracts. Right. Because you're doing it the right way. So, you know, those contracts are safe. You know, you can have an attorney review it because it's going to be a good thing. You're going to have a doctor, you're going to have a nutritionist, you're going to have a psychiatrist or psychologist. And, you know, I think you would have to find contestants that, you know, when they sign that contract, say, you have to be very open and vulnerable. Like, you know, whatever you're going through mentally, like, you have to open up or this TV show is not going to be successful. Because if you're watching the show, I mean, we still need entertainment. Right.
[00:25:37] Speaker B: So your growth and your development and your breakthroughs.
[00:25:42] Speaker A: Yeah. So I definitely think a show like that could be successful today. And doing it the right way, it would be educational, informative, helpful, and still entertainment. Right. And so I think it's kind of.
[00:25:55] Speaker B: Like, well, like, how. What not to wear. You know, I used to watch that show and they were mean to people, like, yeah, like, you dress. It wasn't about body shape as much as, oh, my gosh, you dress frumpy.
And now they have a show is like, wear whatever the f you want. And like, we've really, like, embrace that. That people need to be comfortable and free and what they wear. And I think both Stacy and I can't remember the guy's name have just like, kind of.
Yes, I think that was it. But they've kind of changed their whole tune. And I think that would have to be the tune of this. Except I don't probably think we need the same host. We would need, like, a little bit different there. But there's some awesome celebrity trainers out there that probably, like, if we could get Sean T. From Beachbody to do it, because I love him and he does embrace the total picture.
Yeah, somebody like that would be awesome to do it.
[00:26:55] Speaker A: Yeah. I like in just us talking about it, I really do think there's still a market for a show to come in and do it the right way. And when you're doing it the right way, you're not gonna have to force people in corners with contracts that are unfair and could put somebody in danger. Right. And I think that's the whole point of, like, the crews and with this. With these big companies. So that's why I don't think court should uphold them is because they put people in corners to trap them in situations because they know the situation isn't good and they don't care. So why should they be upheld? I mean, the.
The purpose of a contract is to protect both parties entering the contract.
Both parties, not just one.
So if it's just protecting one party, I don't think the court should have called it.
[00:27:42] Speaker B: Well, and we'll see if anything like this ever comes back or if you have thoughts on it. Let us know if there's any other documentaries you want us to watch and give our thoughts on our. But also drop us a line on what serial killers you want to hear about or what spooky cases you want to hear about, because we'd love to hear that as we start on our next two series in the future.
[00:28:02] Speaker A: Sounds good. I'll see you next week.
Bye.
[00:28:05] Speaker B: Bye.
