Episode 54: Our Ghost Stories

Episode 54 October 29, 2025 00:30:44
Episode 54: Our Ghost Stories
The Lawmas Podcast
Episode 54: Our Ghost Stories

Oct 29 2025 | 00:30:44

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It’s the Halloween episode of The Lawmas Podcast, and things get spooky! Lauren and Lacey are joined by their producer, Wendi Hill, who shares the eerie story of the ghost that’s made itself at home in her house, from unexplained voices to doors flying open and even a spirit that might have followed her family heirlooms.

The conversation moves from ghost stories to personal experiences with the afterlife. Lauren recounts a visit to a shaman that revealed uncanny details about her late mother-in-law, while Lacey opens up about the dreams and visits she’s had from loved ones who’ve passed.

This special episode blends the supernatural with lots of reflections, laughter, and a reminder that sometimes the veil between worlds feels closer than we think.

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[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. [00:00:07] Speaker B: And I'm Lauren. [00:00:09] Speaker C: And welcome to another episode of the Llamas podcast. [00:00:12] Speaker B: And if you are watching this on YouTube and not just listening, you can tell we have a guest with us today. We have the woman who produces our podcast, Wendy Hill. But she has some spooky stuff because today's Halloween episode, so. So we're all going to talk about some of our paranormal experiences, but Wendy has a ghost in her house, so we have her on to talk about her true experiences with this. [00:00:40] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I appreciate you letting me be on here. And I think when some people hear this, these stories, they think I'm a little wacky. But everybody that lives has lived in this house with us, has seen or heard her. So it's been going on for a long time. I've been in the house since 2008 and I guess it was around 2012, 2013. My son saw someone, she's always in the same part of the house, either upstairs or downstairs. And he thought it was me upstairs with a towel on my head and a bathrobe. Well, my bedroom, bathroom's downstairs. So he didn't understand why when he said, mom, what are you doing? She turned around and disappeared. Like just kind of. [00:01:19] Speaker C: Oh my gosh. [00:01:20] Speaker A: He told me about it. Yeah. And then I just forgot about it. And then he. He would call me because he's a computer guy, so we've always had Macs and stuff. And he would call me through the computer and he would say, she's breathing on my neck. And I would say, that's the air vent. And he's like, no, I turned the air vent the other way. It's not that. And so he be a little freaked out sometimes. But she's never done anything scary. But we've heard her talk. We've heard her talk to another person kind of in tongue tongues, like you don't really understand what she's saying. I've seen her run down the hall past me before. And my son and I can describe her the same way. She's probably not quite 5ft tall. She has really long dark brown hair, kind of reddish. And she's wearing like an Aztec type blanket around her, like an Aztec design. And one day my husband and I were folding clothes downstairs and my daughter was supposed to be home from school at maybe 10 after 4. This is when she was still in high school. And we heard the door open. We saw the dogs run to the door and we heard our daughter say hello. And we didn't think anything about it. We thought she was Just out there playing with the dogs. And 20 minutes later, she walks in. And we checked the ring camera, and she never came in earlier. So somebody came in the door or made it sound like they came through the door, and the dogs were all standing there. So it's just been one thing after another. Like, this week, things have happened. It sounded like one of our baby gates for our dogs fell over two nights ago. My husband even came down from his office upstairs. Nothing had fallen over. [00:02:58] Speaker C: Is it just the one person that or one ghost you've seen? [00:03:02] Speaker A: I think so. My husband has heard her talk to somebody twice. [00:03:07] Speaker C: Okay. [00:03:08] Speaker A: And my daughter walked in the house one time and heard two people talking, like, really, like, high speed. And she walked back out. She said, I'm getting out of here. [00:03:16] Speaker C: And. [00:03:18] Speaker A: But it's. And it's just random, like, it. We started talking about this episode last week. So more things have happened. I did some research. The doors in my office are well over 100 years old. When we tore down my great grandmother's house up at Table Rock, those doors were the only thing not broken in the house because it had been abandoned. And I wonder if she came from there, because I know that spirits can travel with things if they're attached to them. And I remember those doors when I was little, and I remember saying to my parents, if they're still intact, when we get ready to tear the house down, I want to bring them here and make them my office doors. And they were. So some days when I'm sitting here, they just fly open. [00:03:59] Speaker B: Oh, wow. So do you. How old do you think this ghost is? Like, can you tell, like, what time period she's from or anything like that? [00:04:09] Speaker A: No. [00:04:10] Speaker C: Have you ever researched your house to see if anybody has, like, passed there, if there's ever been, like, a burial ground or anything there? [00:04:17] Speaker A: I don't know. I mean, I think this was all farmland where we are, because right past our neighborhood is still a little bit of farmland. I think I'm the fourth or fifth owner of the house. This was the sales model for this part of the neighborhood. So hundreds of people have walked through this house. No one has ever said to me, we know that someone died in the house or got hurt and died. I mean, nothing. And I. [00:04:41] Speaker C: So y' all the first people in that house. [00:04:43] Speaker A: I'm the fifth owner of the house. [00:04:45] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [00:04:46] Speaker C: Sorry. [00:04:46] Speaker A: You said everybody else that live has lived here is still alive. [00:04:50] Speaker C: Gotcha. [00:04:51] Speaker A: So I went back on the tax records and did a little searching to see if there were any articles or anything I don't know if she came when the doors came from my great grandmother's house or she's been here, but it's. She's never done anything to frighten me, but I feel like she's always lurking around. [00:05:08] Speaker B: What do the dogs do? Because Wendy has pets. So how do they respond? [00:05:13] Speaker C: Just a few. [00:05:14] Speaker A: Just a few. My golden retriever, Lola. She will look sometimes, but I think dogs do that. She'll look and kind of follow something around. And I notice it more when it's not sunny outside and there's not a reflection, but it's always just in this one section of the house, either upstairs or downstairs. So it's. It's just really odd. [00:05:37] Speaker C: And is that where the door. Those are where the doors are, right? [00:05:40] Speaker A: No, the doors are kind of down a little bit. So I don't know. [00:05:46] Speaker B: Have you ever tried to talk to her? [00:05:49] Speaker A: Yes. I've left paper and pen out for her. Not that I think ghosts can write, but I was desperate one time, trying to figure out. Say something. I've asked her before if there was a way she could let me know her name, like if something would come on the TV or something. And nothing. I think it was last year. My husband's home some days when he's not teaching, and he was in our den sitting on the couch. TV was not on. And this was the one time we've heard her in the dining room, which is another part of the house, and he heard her say, kathy. [00:06:26] Speaker B: Kathy. [00:06:27] Speaker A: Either that or she was calling somebody named Kathy. I don't know. It's. You just have to be here to believe me. [00:06:35] Speaker B: So has. Who does she come around the most out of you, Your husband and the kids? [00:06:44] Speaker A: When Austin was living here. So Austin's a senior in college, and he's been gone for over three years. She used to come to him the most. And I feel like he's the biggest empath in the house. Like, he's just. That's just how he is. Like, if someone's sick, he feels sick. If someone's sad, he feels sad. I would say after that, my husband's noticed a lot of things, and then after that, me and then my daughter the least. But she's more. The personality of. That's not real. [00:07:12] Speaker B: So I know you and your husband have only been married, what, a year and a half? [00:07:17] Speaker A: Almost a year and a half, yeah. [00:07:19] Speaker B: So what happened when he. You and him started dating and he came to your house? Like, did she automatically show herself or did it take time before she showed. [00:07:28] Speaker A: Herself to Him, I think that it was pretty soon afterwards because as you know, we were all, we're, we're Catholic. And he had not come into the church yet. So he wouldn't go to mass with us. And he would stay. We would go to mass on Sunday night and he would say, I'll stay home and eat dinner and when you guys get home, we'll have dinner ready. It'd be about 7:30 or 8 when we would get home. And one day when we came home, he's like, somebody's in this house. And I said, what do you mean? He said, she's talking to somebody. They're talking about something. It's really high pitched, it's really fast. And he said, I walked over there and it stopped. [00:08:07] Speaker C: Well, it seems like she makes herself more present around the males than the females, which is interesting. [00:08:18] Speaker A: It seems that way. I mean, and I feel like anytime that we've brought. My daughter got a cat and we brought the cat in the house. She was gone for six months. Nobody saw her, heard anything. My daughter moves out, goes to college, takes the cat, things start up again. Well, then my husband adopted a parakeet and because, you know, we don't have enough animals in the house. And for a while there was nothing again. So we thought, well, maybe she's kind of afraid of the bird or maybe the bird does something. Yeah, she's been back for a couple weeks. [00:08:48] Speaker B: Oh, wow. Does she move stuff? Like, can she touch things? How does that work? [00:08:55] Speaker A: She knocks my husband's phone in the floor all the time. So we all have iPhones. He has a Samsung Galaxy or whatever. They're the Android. And he can put his phone down on like the side table next to the couch, completely flat, nothing else. And it will fall on the floor. And that happens a couple times a week when she's active. [00:09:17] Speaker B: Is she active more during the day or night? [00:09:21] Speaker A: I think, I think it's a mix. I think it's more later in the day when I've never really heard her first thing in the morning. I don't know if I told you, I think I text both of you. Last week I woke up and I heard something running around upstairs. And at first I thought, do we have like a squirrel in the house? Or something crazy. None of the dogs are upstairs. But now that I think about it, it sounded like a person, like when a kid is running across hardwoods without any shoes on. And I just kept hearing it back and forth. It was maybe 2 o' clock in the morning for maybe about 10 minutes. And then it was gonna be. [00:09:58] Speaker C: That is wild. [00:09:59] Speaker B: Like creepy. So she mentioned she's Catholic, as you heard. So how have you talked to your priest about, like, me and Lacey both grew up in the Southern Baptist Church, so exorcisms are not something we have grown up with or anything like that. [00:10:18] Speaker C: Second question when you answer that one, are exorcism used for any spirit or just bad spirits? That would be my follow up to that. [00:10:26] Speaker A: I. What I think, and I have not done a ton of research on it, it would be more of a negative spirit that you don't. So my husband grew up Southern Baptist, which is crazy. And he. He converted. So big change. So maybe a couple of weeks before we got married last year, we talked to the priest and the assistant priest. We were at a. It was like a spaghetti dinner at church. And we started joking around, telling them about it, and they were both looking at each other. And I talked to Father Bart about it once, and he said, just take some holy water and do some prayers and sprinkle some holy water around the house. Well, I did that. And she came back. And so the assistant priest said, I have to get permission from the bishop to come do an exorcism at your house because it's a residence. And we went on our. We got married, we went on our honeymoon. We came back, we were super sick for about two weeks, and we just kind of forgot about it for a little bit. And then I thought, well, what happens during exorcism? Like, do I have to put the dogs in the backyard? Do we have to stay in the house? And so I just. I just didn't do anything about it. And I feel like, because she's not damaging anything and she's not jumping out and scaring us, maybe we'll just see what happens. [00:11:38] Speaker B: Well, you don't want to, like, piss her off if she's not mad at you. And then you do this. And I don't know if they always work. Don't work. And then she's still there and mad at you. [00:11:51] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:51] Speaker A: So I have. I have a friend that lives over near Anderson, and she had a ghost that kept sitting on her bed at night and like pressing down on the mattress and everything. And she did all these prayers and. And had somebody come to the house. I don't think it was a true exorcism, but that spirits gone. So I know people have gotten rid of them and. But I don't know. I think with her, I think she's been around for so long until something Crazy happens, which I hope it doesn't. I think we're just gonna leave her. [00:12:22] Speaker C: Has she ever been in your room? [00:12:25] Speaker A: I've never noticed her in the bedroom. I've never really noticed her. The only thing in our den is when she knocks Reg's phone off all the time. I mean, I've sat in there with him because at first I thought, is he making this up? But he wouldn't make something. But I have watched it fall on the floor. [00:12:43] Speaker B: So kind of in a different light of where she is. Do you ever get nervous? She, like, sees you naked? That'd be one of my fears. Like, I'm there in the shower and the guest is watching me. [00:12:53] Speaker A: Thought about that until now, but now I'll be thinking about that. [00:12:57] Speaker B: Well, I don't know. They talk about that. [00:13:03] Speaker C: I love that show. I need to catch up on it. But I wouldn't like. The reason it's the bedroom is if you don't come my bedroom. And you don't disturb me while I'm sleeping. Right. We're fine. But, like, don't be pressing on my mattress. Don't scare me in the middle of night. Let me sleep in peace. But during the day, I hate, like, that. That would be. But my bedroom would be crossing the line. Not from nudity purposes. Just first it would scare me. [00:13:27] Speaker A: Well. And I guess I feel like I'm so busy during the day because some people, when they say they work from home, they're always, like, cleaning up their house or doing something, and they can't really work. I'm working. I'm in my office way too much. And so she may be running around doing things all day long, and I just don't notice it. [00:13:41] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:13:42] Speaker C: Yeah, because where you visit the other part of the house where she doesn't really come over to. [00:13:47] Speaker A: Right. So, like, if you go out here at the doors, down to the left, she's down in that corner of the house. Upstairs and downstairs is where we usually see or hear her when she stayed with y' all. [00:13:59] Speaker B: Because Austin and Perry have moved out. But she stayed. So I guess if y' all move, I wonder if she will come with you or if she's attached to this house or the doors. [00:14:09] Speaker C: Like, I think it. Right. I think it's tied to the doors. Like, my gut says she came with the doors, some kind of connection there. And it's gonna depend on whether or not you take those doors with you where she goes. [00:14:22] Speaker A: And I think I will. I mean, we've talked about that. Before that, if we move somewhere, I'll definitely make sure that I can take those with me and just have a new frame and all that. And I guess. I guess we'll see. I mean, my great grandmother lived way up Table Rock Road. I mean, it takes 20 minutes to get there from downtown Pickens. I mean, it's way out up in the mountains and no telling what was going on up there. [00:14:45] Speaker C: Well, that makes sense with the Aztec blanket because when you see items and wardrobe like that, I feel like we typically look at people that grew up in the mountains. Mountain area with those items. [00:15:02] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I agree. I mean, I just. Nobody else around here has talked about having a ghost, but I don't go around to my neighbors telling them that either because if they see this, they'll know. But I don't know. Some people look at me like I'm crazy. But if. If you stayed here long enough, you would see or hear something. [00:15:21] Speaker B: Well, wonder if she is Kathy, if that's her name or if that's her BFF's name. If she's gonna watch this, hear us recording. So she does. Can you like give us a sign somehow that you enjoy us talking about you? Just let Wendy know when she'll text us. You don't need to visit us. [00:15:38] Speaker C: No, thank you. [00:15:39] Speaker A: I'm gonna bring her with me next time I come to one of your offices. [00:15:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:15:44] Speaker A: I close the doors, but not tightly enough. Where if she did come by and open them, they would open, but nothing's happened yet. [00:15:50] Speaker B: Yeah, well, we've made her happy. But I guess me and Lacy can share a few of our paranormal experiences too. [00:16:00] Speaker C: Lauren, you want to go? [00:16:02] Speaker B: So I guess, like I've always felt like I believe ghost are real. I 100% believe Wendy and everything she said. So I've always thought that they are. And I've had a bunch of different experiences over my life. I do not have a ghost in my house, thankfully. Let's hope I didn't just inspire one. Because I will say when Wendy text us about hearing the footsteps, I'm like, sometimes I wish it was a ghost and not my 3 year old coming to my bed at, you know, in the middle of the night. But I will say I saw a shaman about two years ago after my mother in law passed away. And I was questionable if I thought. I mean, I always have felt like people have contacted me in dreams and stuff, but I didn't know was I just being crazy, making stuff up or just missing this person. But it was interesting because I saw this Shaman. And I was right after my mother in law passed and I was trying to just get some peace from that. She is religious, she believes in God. She is Protestant from what she told me. But she will work with people of different like whether you're Baptist, Methodist, Catholic. She works in all the different faiths. But when I sat down and talked to her, I didn't tell her what was going on. All she knew about me was my first name. I actually got her name from my paralegal sister. So kind of just blind text her, said I just want to come talk to you. And from the get go, Aldo was very emotional experience. I cried a lot. But she knew things about my mother in law that nobody possibly could have known. So I don't know how much my husband's going to want me to air this or how much my mother in law was like rolling in her grave with me talking about this. But. So we found a picture inside of a safe in Wes's mom's house of a different man, of a man that there's pictures of her and him. Wes had never heard about this man. Like we didn't ask anybody about him. [00:18:03] Speaker A: Like it. [00:18:04] Speaker B: Cuz Susan was private with her love life, which was probably good for my husband. He didn't need to know all those details. But one of the first things the shaman told me was like, your mother in law said she had a life to let her live and that picture is her business. And I had not mentioned the picture. Oh my God, at all. And then the medium kept telling me, she's like, your mother in law apologizes for what you saw in her sock drawer. But she had needs too. I will leave that to what y' all think it is. It was not in her underwear drawer. It was not in her nightstand, but her sock drawer. So like she was very specific in things she said. She also told me she heard the voice of a male that was named Zachary. At the time, I had no idea what that meant. My husband's lab name was Zachary from the Black Power Ranger. And so it's kind of funny because like I feel like that may have been his dog was with his mom. I fully believe dogs go to heaven. One thing she did tell me that I don't know how true I feel about this is I'm supposed to be pregnant with the baby boy when I turn 38. [00:19:18] Speaker C: Almost there. [00:19:21] Speaker B: Not I'm done. So if the Lord blesses me with a third child, I will deal with it. But it is not in my game plan. So I don't know if that was it. Or maybe she just knows, like, maybe it was a dog that's gonna come into my life or something. Because I treat my dogs like babies. So maybe it could be a dog, it could be something. But that was the one thing. But there was just so much crazy stuff that it just. It was stuff that I was skeptical, but, like, stuff nobody would have known. And the way she like the shama went from talking one way to talking like my mother in law. And there were some interesting things she did tell me that kind of fall in line with Catholicism more than the Protestants. Because she told me it's not straight. Heaven and hell, there's different levels. And sometimes people do have to like atone for their work. So I mean, that kind of goes more in line with purgatory and those type things. She did tell me my mother in law was 100 in heaven. My father in law was a piece of garbage. And he is not where my mother in law is is all she told me on that. So she didn't say that Mandy's in tail. But he is not where my mother in law is. So I don't know what that means. She. My grandmother was trying to talk to me, but we ran out of time. And let me tell you, she's expensive. So I may go see her again in the future. But it was definitely, I want to go. [00:20:58] Speaker C: When you go, I want to go. If we could go together. [00:21:01] Speaker B: It's definitely. It's an emotional, enlightening experience. And I was very skeptical. But she pretty much like, I've always thought there's little. Like, I think a lot of people come, like God winks and stuff where people send you signs from the beyond. And I'm like, I'm just making this stuff up. She's like, no, you're not like people really. She was telling like, this veil between heaven and earth is not really far away. It's right here. We're just not able to see it. But some people are. So like, honestly, if a kid tells you, which my daughters have told me Gam Gam has came to see them and I 100% believe it. So it was interesting. So if you have the opportunity in your life to do this and you're open to might be something cool. I don't think it was of the devil or anything like that. I do not think I'm going straight to hell for going to see her, which I know in the way me and Lacey grew up, sometimes that is how they see things. But yeah. So Lacey, why Don't you tell us about something from you. [00:22:02] Speaker C: So I've always. And one of the reasons I don't believe that you're going to hell is because I do have dreams. I do get visits from people who have passed. I don't always know them very well, and it leaves me in awkward positions and conversations. But my best friend's mom, Connie, she has had a similar gift. And she has always said, if I don't embrace it and I don't use it, then I will lose it. So my. My papa died when I was young. He had his favorite chair. It was his favorite recliner after he passed a couple years later, and I would always sit in his lap. I was such a papa's girl. He died when I was 8 years old, but he also had this, like, little workshop area between my house and my grandma's house. And so we would be there just all the time. And so one dream, he came to me in his chair was, like, in the center spot. So it was outside, but was in that work spot. And he had me, and he just told me that he was okay and that he was proud of me and that he was fine. And so that just gave me a lot of comfort because I knew that, you know, he was with me and that he was okay. That aunt passed away in 2011. My dreams with her have been very vastly different. Sean, if you're listening, you may want to pause and picked it back up later if you don't want it to hear these things, but she came to me in a movie theater once, and she's come to me three times in three dreams. In all three dreams, she's very sad. And I don't want to get into details of my aunt's death, but it was very, very traumatic. I was. I was in college. No, I was in law school. [00:23:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:48] Speaker C: And I was. I was there when we unfortunately removed the plug. And it was just as very. It was a very hard death. We didn't see it coming. And I think she's very upset at herself. That's what I have gathered in my dreams from her. Like, she's upset at herself for, you know, letting things. Certain things, get too far. And I could just tell she's just. [00:24:10] Speaker B: She's. [00:24:11] Speaker C: She's not where my papa is. She's very upset about not being here. But I will say, when I got engaged, she came to me in a dream, and she held up my hand with my ring. And she held up her hand with her ring beside it. And so, like, I knew she was that was her telling me she was happy for me. And even though in. But she was still really sad because I knew if she had been here, she would have been helping me, like, plan the wedding and stuff like that, because we were very close. I was very close to my mom, but I know she would have just been, you know, like, I imagine when my nieces get married, I'm going to be so involved, like, with my sister, you know, just because we're close. And it was kind of that dynamic, you know, like, she would have been with my mom, involved in all these decisions, and I could just tell she was really sad about being there. So that those experiences have been vastly different from, like, my papa and my classmate. Well, our classmate Lauren, his name. We had a classmate named Houston Otten, and I did not know him very well. We graduated together. He was very popular. I always thought he was so cute, but I didn't. I was so dorky. So I never really was in the same crowd because he was always in a cooler crowd than I was. And the only interaction I remember is some worked at the movie theater my senior year of high school. And that is a lot of the popular kids work there. I kind of got a little bit more interaction. But I remember him asking me to make him a drink, and I poured out what was in it. Well, it turns out he had Gold Slogger in there, and so I'd poured out his alcohol by accident. I was mortified. I was so embarrassed. But that's literally my only reaction with him. He passed away. [00:26:02] Speaker A: 2018. [00:26:03] Speaker C: Is that when it was. Oh, that's weird. So that's the year Luke was born, which that ties together. So he came to me in a dream after he had passed. And he did have a sister, an older sister. They were very close. I cheered with his older sister, Nikki. But again, she was beautiful, popular. I worked with her at the movie theater, but limited interaction. So anyways, he came to me in a dream, and he was at my church, which he didn't go to, and beside his sister, and he was trying to, like, hold her hand. But I could tell it was a message he was trying to give to Nikki. And it was something there. So I remember I sat on it and I told Lauren. I said, lauren, she's like, do not bother Nikki. Do not tell her this. You can't. And I said, okay. So I decided that day, like, I'm not gonna tell her. But the next day, I got on Facebook, and it was Houston's birthday, birthday. And I'm like, oh, My gosh. I said at this point I have to tell her, like, what are the odds that this has happened? So I did Facebook message her and I was like, you're gonna probably think I'm so weird and if I am, like, I'm sorry. And so basically I told her everything that was in the dream and she messaged me back and she was so nice and she said it's actually not shocking that she came to you. She said that he, he had passed from some type of heart condition. And so the fact that Luke had had a heart condition, which Luke was born in 2018, he passed in 2018. She wasn't surprised that he chose to come to me for this and that I also had a relative with down syndrome. So he probably just felt comfortable and that she appreciated the dream. And I, I don't remember all the details. I could go back in Facebook and find it, but I, I don't think that that's appropriate. But that was the more awkward ones to, to give. But that's, that's why I don't believe like it's bad that or a sin or the devil or anything when we go to mediums and stuff like that, because I think their gift is just beyond what I can do. Like, I can't, I can't do what the medium did with Lauren. Like, I've never been given that gift. It's just, you know, I do have things and I will say this, Lauren, I am not pregnant. I am not pregnant, but I keep having recurring dreams about having a baby girl. [00:28:22] Speaker B: So I will say I did talk to somebody about pregnancy and that it could mean a new adventure is coming your way, new growth, new stuff like that. So maybe, you know, there's something exciting going to happen in your life soon. [00:28:37] Speaker C: I need it. [00:28:39] Speaker B: So hopefully that is it. I will say with lazy talking about one time about a classmate. Recently we have lost a lot of our high school classmates, which is really sad because we haven't even hit our 20 year anniversary. But recently I had a dream that one of our other classmates that died of breast cancer, she was in my dream and we were never close. We didn't dislike each other. We were on the tennis team, I think together for a year. I mean, and we were in a lot of the same friends, but I just was never like close to her. But in the dream she did come to me and she told me that she was okay. She missed that. Like she didn't get to have a life, but she was okay and happy and I just felt there was some, I don't know, like actually Ivy, wasn't it? It was a girl named Ashley and she died unexpectedly of cancer. And now that you say you know that's how my mother in law died was unexpectedly cancer. And it happened almost as quick as how Ashley's happened. So maybe there was some just connection there. But we're curious for you as our audience, do you have these experiences? Do you think the three of us are crazy? Or do you believe that there is stuff happening in the supernatural realm or the heaven's really not that far away. And Kathy, Wendy's ghost, whatever we're supposed to call you, please let us know that you enjoyed hearing about you. Because Art, give Wendy your story and we'd love to share it or how. [00:29:58] Speaker C: We can find your story. Like, you know, like lead us to it somehow. [00:30:03] Speaker B: But don't hurt Wendy. [00:30:06] Speaker A: Thank you. No. I think I need to keep my eyes and my ears open more. You know how we all get focused working family. I think if we focus on trying to figure out what it is, I think it'll come to us. [00:30:16] Speaker C: So yeah, perfect. We hope you all have a happy. [00:30:19] Speaker B: Halloween and we're looking to starting our next series with y'. All. But enjoy Halloween and let us know if you have any stories to share. [00:30:26] Speaker C: Yeah. Happy Halloween. Stay safe. Please welcome all kids of all abilities and remember that as you have fun trick or treating and have people come to you for trick or treat. So see y' all next week. [00:30:37] Speaker A: Happy Halloween. Bye.

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